Democrats are starting to have powerful success painting the GOP as the party of bigots, with good reason. When Ted Nugent channels Bull Conner, delivering a Jim Crow-era rant about our “mongrel” black President the problem gets worse. When Ted Cruz effectively defends him on national TV, the portrait is complete and there is little anyone else can do to fix the damage.
This image of Republicans as the party of racists only touches the surface of the problem. The party’s alliance with bigots is an accident arising from other choices. Bigotry has become a core Republican value not because of racism, per se, but because of the party’s addiction to fear. The GOP has become the de facto home of America’s bigots because it has sought to be the official home of America’s cowards.
Watch Fox News very closely and you will notice one theme present in absolutely every segment – fear. The surface subject may be as dull as fiscal policy, currency, or the weather, but they will find a way to inject fear into the rhetoric. Conservatives are America’s most fiercely pessimistic voting block. They are afraid of almost everything.
Right wing fears are becoming self-realizing. Nowhere is that sad fact more mathematically obvious than in the lunatic obsession with gold. Gold fever has cost ordinary Republicans far more money than they will ever pay to support Obamacare, yet the shiny metal has lost none of its luster on Fox. The ads run all day and night.
In an authentic financial crisis the metal will be as useful as a nice pair of wingtips, but buying gold isn’t about value or financial planning. Like everything else that happens on Fox, buying gold is about buying fear.
Just like Glenn Beck’s favorite scam, Goldline, Ted Nugent and Ted Cruz are selling fear to white people who are watching their privileged place in America and the world melt away. There’s a black man in the White House. Gay people walk around holding hands like its no big deal. Brown people in dirty little foreign countries are getting rich building things the Fox News audience barely understands.
The simple small-town “values” of the past are a ticket to poverty, alienation, and disenfranchisement. In modern America, our most persistent, unsolveable, grueling poverty is found in our overwhelmingly white countryside. The highest rates of food stamp growth are in white suburbs.
Being white and “hard-working” was once enough to guarantee a certain lifestyle. Now South Asian software engineers are our new elite. Women are getting higher education at a faster rate than men. Settling down and having kids with a loving spouse at an early age is a recipe for poverty. Good old-fashioned American values like Sarah Palin espouses will earn you a painful reality show lifestyle.
The “real America” is gone. It has been replaced by something that terrifies a lot of older white Americans. It shouldn’t.
Republicans fought for decades to create this new world. The structural problems created by a dynamic new global economy are a winning lottery ticket compared to the problems we have faced in the past. Unfortunately, confronting these problems requires a level of curiosity and inquiry that frightens a lot of people. Our failure to address these problems in an intelligent way has already destroyed the middle class. It has destabilized the international financial system. Now it threatens to stall economic progress for an entire generation.
Calling out Nugent’s racism is not as important as recognizing where it comes from. As long as Republicans are satisfied living on steady diet of high-calorie, low-fact fear, the country will continue to limp forward. Global capitalism is a complex gift that our ancestors bled to deliver to for us. It is bringing freedom and prosperity we never imagined. It is bringing demands for management and regulation we did not anticipate.
Freedom is forcing us to accept differences in other people that some people find scary. The structural demands of capitalism are forcing us to use government in ways we had not thought necessary. Preserving liberty, humanity, and peace in such a dynamic world will require intelligence, but most of all it will demand courage.
Ted Nugent is a symbol of cowardice. He displays it in his personal life and it soaks every aspect of his public persona. No one with a reasonably secure mind needs to wave guns around. As a party we have to decide whether we still believe in America, whether we still believe in freedom, and whether we still believe in ourselves.
Chris Ladd is a Texan living in the Chicago area. He has been involved in grassroots Republican politics for most of his life. He was a Republican precinct committeeman in suburban Chicago until he resigned from the party and his position after the 2016 Republican Convention. He can be reached at gopliferchicago at gmail dot com.
GOPLifer 
This post here takes projection to a whole new level. Well done Dan the Richard, well done.
DanMan says:
February 28, 2014 at 1:44 pm
easy call kabuzz, so far they are on topic as you predicted…you’re living in the past, you’re a liar, you enjoy the sexual proclivities they never tire of referring to, you’re stupid. And they are all upstanding members of the rucas posse that having nothing else in their arsenal.
They write like 13 year olds and I bet none of them are under 40. They are as financially bankrupt as they are mentally vapid. They lash out because they have made stupid decisions all their lives and can only propose solutions to their station in life based on envy. It is the same logic a thief uses to justify stealing. We have it, they want it.
They believe they are on the side that is winning and expect to be rewarded for their loyalty to the liars. That never ends well.
RonR it matters not at all whether you believe me as I don’t believe you ever served in Nam.
GG, the college liberals of the 60 and 70’s are in todays democratic party.
It was reported that Hillary didn’t want the military in the WH. That was not true. She didn’t want them wearing uniforms. Disgusting woman. Reminds me of Michelle Obama not being proud of her country in all her years until 2009.
You can live in denial (which is your favorite place) but the facts are the facts.
By the way, I just finished voting. Place was packed. A very energized electorate.
I want one of the echo chamber to know that I think Texan needs an intervention. He is buried in a bottle again.
CAn you prove your claim buzz? No you can’t. Many of those “liberals” are conservatives today.
Are we supposed to give you a lollipop for voting? Big deal.
The college students in the 60s are now 70 years old.
You want to know what age group voted against Obama in 2008 and 2012?
Folks who were college age in the 60s.
However, Buzz…I can see where you are coming from. You are kind of assuming that people’s views don’t change over the course of 50 years…and for you, I can absolutely believe that to be true.
Awww, buzzy is impressed with an “energized electorate” in a Repub primary to determine whose knuckles drag the lowest and who is the most exclusionary and can insult, demean, and piss off the largest electorate contingent that that is not the shrinking old and White constituency.
Yes, buzzy pat yourself on the bat on who rings the stupidity bell the hardest and loudest.
Applause, applause.
Homer, now that’s scary thought. Buzzy, as a young kitten only still sour and just a bit left of Hitler.
Oh, lord……….
The “oh, lord, below should be here.
Correction: “pat yourself on the back”.
But you are welcome to bat yourself too.
thanks envious one, coming from you it means nothing…high of 78 this weekend btw
If it meant nothing, then why did you reply?
“They write like 13 year olds and I bet none of them are under 40. They are as financially bankrupt as they are mentally vapid. They lash out because they have made stupid decisions all their lives and can only propose solutions to their station in life based on envy. It is the same logic a thief uses to justify stealing. We have it, they want it.”
That would be a bet you would most definitely lose on all counts.
Come on Buzz. I just got back from the booze store, what no “racist” or “lefty liberal” or “hateful”, how am I gonna drink this whole bottle without your cue words.
I see “hatred” I guess that will do.
Drink!
and a “hated”
Drink!
Speaking of faux outrage, did ya wake up on the wrong side of the nursing home bed ya old fart.
Please liberals spare me your faux support and love for the military. I grew up during the sixties and saw how the liberals hated the military and those pieces of garbage are now in power. You only support what is convenient. Hillary Clinton would not let the military wear their uniforms in the WH. So come on. You guys have such a visceral hatred for the military because they serve one purpose, kill people and then keep the peace.
Now come the faux outrage. 3-2-1
I’m outraged by the cat in a pink catsuit–it’s obviously gay propaganda and I remember when I was thirty three how Pharaoh used to drag those guys behind his chariot.
He does admit to being a teabagger.
Faux outrage in response to genuine stupidity is a waste of time.
A military buddy of mine sent me this Buzz. I immediately thought of you and your love for the Tea Party.
http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?_adv_prop=image&fr=mcafee&va=confederate+flags+at+Tea+Party+Rallies
Hey buzzy, message for you from the 60’s:
That is soooo 50 years ago. Live in the present dude. You can’t go back again.
Hell, I was in Vietnam in the 60’s. I think Buzz is lying about serving in Vietnam. For sure he’s lying about Clinton banning military uniforms in the WH. That’s was shot down years ago.
My step-father was in Vietnam too. Helicopter mechanic and “informal” medic when needed.
I flew a Bell UH-1P Iroquois. Bet your stepdad knows something about the Green Hornets.
I’m sure he does. He still reads a lot of books about Vietnam.
The 60’s are over dear. Hippies are today’s aging baby boomers. Get with the times you “pinko, commie, leftist” spouting grouch.
easy call kabuzz, so far they are on topic as you predicted…you’re living in the past, you’re a liar, you enjoy the sexual proclivities they never tire of referring to, you’re stupid. And they are all upstanding members of the rucas posse that having nothing else in their arsenal.
They write like 13 year olds and I bet none of them are under 40. They are as financially bankrupt as they are mentally vapid. They lash out because they have made stupid decisions all their lives and can only propose solutions to their station in life based on envy. It is the same logic a thief uses to justify stealing. We have it, they want it.
They believe they are on the side that is winning and expect to be rewarded for their loyalty to the liars. That never ends well.
Curses, DanMan has fauxed back and scored a direct hit. .
LOL.
If thinking this helps you sleep at night, Dan, then more power to you.
Come on Buzz. I just got back from the booze store, what no “racist” or “lefty liberal” or “hateful”, how am I gonna drink this whole bottle without your cue words.
I see “hatred” I guess that will do.
Drink!
and a “hated”
Drink!
Speaking of faux outrage, did ya wake up on the wrong side of the nursing home bed ya old fart.
Buzz….I’ll happily cast a vote for Ted Cruz if you can find legitimate support for the “Hillary Clinton would not let the military wear their uniforms in the WH” claim.
That has been so widely debunked that I’m even a little bit shocked that even you are still bringing it up.
Well, the Clinton things is as accurate as that time Ted Cruz cussed out a nun and told her to pull herself up by her rosary straps and get a real job.
Buzz…this is no faux outrage. I am actually outraged.
You said, the military serves one purpose, and then you listed two things.
That, sir, is beyond the pale, even for you.
Homer, even you would understand that war and peace are the same. Same it: A military action proceeds peace. Come on, stop the obstinate game.
I think it is funny that GG ‘knows’ somebody that was in Nam as if that qualifies her to claim service and support of our military.
Um buzzy, it sure beats “shitting in your pants” to support the troops, yet you find that acceptable?
Hang on buzz…you are blowing my mind.
War and peace are the same thing? I mean, I know there was a book about that, but it was forced to read Dostoyevsky rather than Tolstoy, so I was not aware they are the same thing.
Interesting….you claim war proceeds peace. I think we could argue that peace proceeds war…man…it is like a circle or something.
War = peace? My mind is blown.
Why would I not support the servicemen and women?
Just your usual bitching Buzzy.
Buzzy, you utter the most bizarre right behind Dan. You frequently make asinine assumptions about people you don’t even know. Someone doesn’t agree with the grumpy cat they are a “leftist” and hate the military. Here’s a hint. You don’t have to be “right” or “left”. Most people fall in between. Try and remember that.
That should be bizarre statements.
“Homer, even you would understand that war and peace are the same.”
Is George Orwell communicating with us from the other side? Fascinating!
HT and Fly, the exact quote was: “they serve one purpose, kill people and then keep the peace.”
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There’s peace because everyone’s dead! There’s no one left to fight!
Sorry, Kabuzz, I couldn’t resist. 🙂
Not exactly that far off, Tutt. If an enemy starts a war, we should beat the snot out of them, kill them, to the point where they no longer want that war. Then we can bring back the Marshall Plan, help them rebuild in a way beneficial to us.
But in this modern age, we fight wars with kid gloves and political correctness. Then again, not only the modern age, but as far back as Vietnam where the military was not allowed to win. When we go to war, we should crush our enemies, totally defeat them, beat them into absolute submission, total war. Otherwise we should do nothing. Halfway measures only get more of our people killed and doesn’t beat the enemy into submission.
Then, once beaten into submission, and demonstration our military might and force of will, keep a strong military so that none want to go to war with us, and by that, keeping the peace.
Après le déluge, le calme . . . Mon Dieu . . .
Sure…Stern…but that is still two things, not one thing, and my faux outrage is over an inability to count.
I probably agree with your general sentiment on going to war…we shouldn’t go very often, but when we do, we should do it for real, but you might be a bit gung ho for me.
If political correctness = not indiscriminately killing civilians, I’m for a PC war.
It’s cause and effect.
Anyway, I think I’ll run a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and some potato chips through the juicer now. Good night.
I haven’t thought about PBJ through the juicer.
We are still juicing and loving it.
Captain is correct. Germany and some of our forces stay to keep the peace. We fight Korea, the same thing. Japan, same to a point. Iraq to a point but will probably have to base in Saudi. Vietnam was the first liberal war fought with the wrong goals.
In truth, it’s been a long time since many Americans (even those serving) have had a proper grasp on the purpose and use of military force. Curtis Le May, who directed the U.S. bombing campaign against Japan during WWII, and the SAC during the most frightening years of the Cold War, put it very succinctly:
“If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting.”
It’s not going too far to say that the reason we never had a nuclear exchange with the USSR is that the Soviets were rightly terrified by the thought of what Le May would do in response. Contrast this with Putin’s utter disdain for Obama’s empty threats regarding the Syria, the Ukraine, etc., etc., ad nauseum. Under Obama the U.S. is a paper tiger, and Putin knows this all to well.
Peace has only ever been possible through strength. Might does not make right, but right perishes for lack of might. And always remember, sometimes you gotta be cruel to be kind.
The most recent hijinks in the Senate proves you’re wrong as usual. Republicans shut down the government and then stand at the entrance of the war memorials screeching endlessly about how awful the Democrats are using them as political pawns yet when they have an opportunity to do something substantive for our veterans that have already fought in their wars what did they do, they filibustered the bill while trying to add on a poison pill in an effort that would surely place us squarely in the middle of another useless war. You people don’t even remain consistent with what you claim you support.
By the way this isn’t faux outrage you little fur ball this is the real thing! I AM PISSED!
Republicans didn’t shut down the government, democrats did. The GOP house sent several funding bills, but as usual, democrats have no desire to negotiate or compromise. And after all that, and the establishment GOP caving, Cruz and the tea party backed republicans have been vindicated.
This one is really funny…………
That is hilarious Crog, thanks for the link.
Mr. Lifer, please post another blog entry soon, so we don’t have to face the demonic-looking Mr. Nugent baring his pearly whites every time we click on your site. It’s almost as bad as the Catch Scratch Fever album cover. At least his eyes are covered here.
O’Boy, now they are trying to lose the military vote.
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/veterans-benefits-senate-republicans-104060.html?hp=l4
You mean they are using the veterans as pawns? say it ain’t so.
Yep, they will do anything to try and start a war with Iran.
Got to keep the base happy, other wise known as the MIC.
Yep!
I have apparently lost the ability to login to WordPress using a Google Plus account. So much for the dour Mr. Darwin looking over my posts.
When I type a comment I’m unable to see the first few words because I’m typing over the “Enter your comment” in the box. All around tech difficulties today.
I find using a word press account works best. I get logged out only if I do not post that often or use another computer. Yes, I know it is painful to set up a new account.
kabuzz61 says:
February 27, 2014 at 8:26 pm
I know Captain. They just don’t see their duplicity. Amazing.
Hahahahahaha!…….breathe…………..hahahahahahahaha!………breathe………….hahahahahahahahaha!…………breathe…..O God no my side hurts…………Hahahahahahaha!………ouch!……….breathe……ouch!……………Hahahahahaha!
Yes, the irony is thick.
OT but what the heck, it’s good news.
But……….but…………but………..Benghazi!
Y’all left out the IRS and Fast and Furious.
“$409 billion less than in 2012, largely because of increased revenue.”
and
“Growth in tax revenue from an improving economy accounted for much of the decline in the deficit. A year ago, the top marginal tax rate increased to 39.6 percent, from 35 percent.”
So much for the Republicanomics of making the rich, richer to “spur the economy”.
“Tax cuts to the rich spur growth”, “the stimulus failed”, “auto bailouts were a failure”, blah, blah, blah.
And how are the spending cuts and “austerity measures” in Europe turning out?
Message from John Maynard Keynes to Repubs:
Bite me Boehner.
Lies! All lies! Buy gold!
Bubba – the situation is a little more nuanced than that. Austerity has not worked in Greece, Portugal and other southern European countries. It has worked, to some degree in the UK, whose economy is growing again. It’s a mixed bag in Ireland. Keynes has been neither vindicated nor proven wrong in this one. I suspect this question will keep macroeconomists busy for years to come.
It’s called ‘the dead cat bounce’. Eventually inventories have to be replaced and cars break down……..in the long term even the stingy have to spend their money.
JG, you’re right in that macroeconomics is more complex than can be summarized in a sound bite, but I think time and again, history has proven that simple spending cuts alone are not going to turn around an economy, not even in the UK’s success story. And it’s who has to suffer the most in the implementation.
The UK did raise sales taxes and cut services in their “recovery” putting the burden on the poor and working class and implementing a combination of Keynesianomics and right wing Draconian “austerity” measures to stimulate their economy.
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-10-17/britains-growing-again-dot-does-that-mean-austerity-was-a-good-idea
Though for the US I think it’s pretty incontrovertible that Keynesian stimulus spending with associated tax increases to support said stimulus spending is the ultimate major contributor, just as it was during the Great Depression and even during Ronald Reagan’s recession.
JohnGalt–this small little comment thread and the below are related………
http://blog.chron.com/sciguy/2014/02/as-innovation-deficit-grows-americas-future-contracts/?cmpid=staffblogshcat
CROGGED, wherever you are: Thanks for your link to the Bleeding Heart Libertarians website a few threads back. It’s more in tune with my political views, or at the very least, it addresses the questions and conflicts I have about libertarian philosophy.
You’re welcome–Andrew Sullivan linked it.
Just saw a moving piece on Gary Sinise.
How come nobody in Texas latched onto a REAL conservative AND a decent human being who truly supports the military service members in myriad ways and has for a very long time now? Maybe because the true conservative is too smart to associate himself with the Texas Taliban whackos? And can only get a sleazy whacko like Ted Nugent to support their crap “agenda”?
Oh yeah, and Sinise never served (but was not a draft dodger) and that has not minimized the well deserved respect he receives universally from the military and across the political spectrum.
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/gary-sinises-biggest-role-actor-treats-wounded-veterans/story?id=22580510
I have always liked Gary SInise and I do admire him for all that he does for our vets.
square this
http://blog.chron.com/texassparkle/2014/02/we-are-black-history/
With what? Nothing much to disagree with in there. Nice article.
yes it is, and the opposite of what Chris preaches and his rucas posse sing along with
Absolutely because the author states “We can have access to a good education” and a Republican replies, “So let’s define the core curriculum and let’s fund that at the state level, and let’s do that on a per-pupil basis and let the local districts decide what they want to do.”
Every child has a right to have his future determined by the school district in which he is born! Freedom!
O my God, stop the press, some one has a different opinion. You got us Dan, you got us good.
This is too funny not to post. These guys sure spend a lot of time thinking about debauchery. They have pretty vivid imaginations.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/27/cakes-and-gay-tea-partier-frets-about-wedding-tyranny-in-arizona/
Wow! It’s obvious Phillips doesn’t know any gay people. More fear mongering…
Obviously. The gay weddings I’ve seen pictures of were very upscale and did not include leather chaps and orgies or penis cakes. Fairly traditional with a normal cake.
GG, you must not have gone to the receptions…….
If you want a good laugh go over and read the comments at Free Republic. They are having a meltdown.
Wendy Davis says “Thanks Ted”.
http://www.texastribune.org/2014/02/25/davis-cashes-following-abbott-appearance-nugent/
It certainly can’t just be me who finds it painfully humorous that the same people who dogged OWS are the same people here defending/supporting Ted Nugent…you know, the guy who shat himself to avoid a war. And then this asshat has the gall to denounce others!? Please. There’s more important things to discuss than the backward, idiotic and unstable characters the Tea people idolize.
Let’s not forget the underage, jail bait girls. I liked some of his music back in the day but he’s truly a piece of human excrement.
Absolutely. I can sort of respect him as a musician although quite honesty, he only had like 2 good songs IMO. Other than that, he’s a grade A POS.
“Every human gathering and institution from the Gay Pride Parade to the KKK works to remain connected by developing a set a norms and values which signals to members when they are dealing with members of the in-group and help identify others as part of the out-group. The peculiar thing though is that once you feel this, once you feel included in a human institution or ideology, you can’t help but see outsiders through a warped lens called the illusion of asymmetric insight.”
The Tea Party conservatives are using a lot of negative signaling, which as John Galt pointed out, doesn’t really motivate large groups of voters to identify with a candidate. For the Republican primary it may not matter that a candidate refuses to distance himself from the drunk uncle calling a black man a ‘subhuman mongrel’, but even in Texas it may matter when trying to appeal to fifty percent plus one in a general election.
Texan loudly stated: “The one who calls it racism is the racist”.
Chris Ladd, you be racist.
I admit one cannot debate your logic.
If you are going to quote someone, please be specific or at least say that you are paraphrasing, or you could not be the lazy piece of shit you are and go back and find the exact quote.
Texan5142 says:
February 20, 2014 at 3:13 pm
Those that scream racist the loudest are almost always the most racist of all, case in point.
Now who here has been screaming “racist” the most on these blogs the last few days? Shall I post it for you you stupid, obnoxious cat?
Oh Dam ! Better get kitty some salve for that burn!
Buzz…every once in a while, you could probably just go, “wow…you know, that is a racist piece of crap” rather than bending your brain to try to justify some obviously screwed up stuff.
Not everything is racist, but to pretend every allegation of racism is just someone getting crying wolf is kinda silly.
I was just using one of your Echo Chambers formula for who or what is racist. Talk to him. And Chris while you’re at it.
In the rational world, there are racists and bigots. They are in all political party’s, schools, teachers, every profession. When you of the liberal persuasion obsess about the GOP or TEA Party as being the only racists, well, keep smoking that stuff.
Now if you want to talk real policies that are in force by our government that are racist, well that is a discussion that should be had.
Instead of falling over each other to see who can complement Chris the fastest, why don’t YOU call him to task for alleging racists motives behind anything that goes counter to your beliefs. YOU would be much more believable. But to go on and on about racism just residing in one small segment demonstrates your lack of depth in the discussion of this important issue. You can’t call names first, deride and chide someone because they don’t think ideologically like you.
Sometimes you seem the rational type and I do appreciate that. But there are other times that you seem to patronize or get all snooty with anyone who disagrees with you. And at times you feign ignorance when I know you are much smarter than that.
So if this blog wants to just be about throwing the names out and insulting and broad brush stroking, okay, I’ll dance. I rather the discussion be more honest and earnest.
For instance, I am not an Obama fan, but I do appreciate how much a family man he is and how he seems like a regular guy when it comes to shooting hoops or golfing. He tells good jokes also.
But according to the Echo Chamber, Ted Cruz, and others are less than human. I mean you guys are getting all bent out of shape by what a has been rock star says. Come on. Seriously? What is his stance going to do? Such silliness and triteness.
No one has said Cruz is less than human just a moron. Leave the “mongrel sub-human” insults to Nugent and his ilk.
I rest my case.
No Buzzy. You didn’t have a case.
Actually, I believe Ted Cruz is quite intelligent and shrewd. A self serving jerk but still quite sharply shrewd. He just knows how to speak fluent moronese to cater to the morons to do his bidding.
And it’s working like gangbusters.
Does anyone else find it..odd..that the cat-in-the -hoody seems to follow GOPLifer’ sblog/posts anywhere he goes? Same goes for Pvt. Sterno. You’d think those 2 and their pals would be all over the Sparklet’s blog since they are of like minds. I don’t really see what their purpose is here, it’s not like they’re going to win anyone over to their side of the political fence with their well reasoned, fact-based, logical arguments. -ahem- Or maybe they just don’t have anything else to do. I guess it gets a bit boring sitting at home when the sat dish goes out. I dunno.
Kabuzz – Shame on you. Chris Ladd is no racist, however I am beginning to think that perhaps you are a bigoted and cowardly individual who will call others names and yet whines when you are called out for your own rancid behavior.
Ya think?
“Chris Ladd is no racist, …”
Since he was describing the GOP establishment, which he is part of and supports, I would beg to differ. Racists focus on race. Lifer focuses on race.
I know Captain. They just don’t see their duplicity. Amazing.
What happened to the good ol’ days when to be a racist you had to actually do something racist? So now any namby pamby can write a blog talking about Republicans and race and just doing that makes you a racist? The Captain and Kabuzz (didn’t they sing a song back in the Seventies?) are socializing racism! If you take the incentive of real racism away then we will be besieged by fake racists in the form of aging former rock and roll stars saying whatever bullshit they can in order to have publicity because their audience of 60 year old pothead…….what was I talking about—oh yeah, the Captain and Kabuzz are SOCIALISTS
Cappy, you can support a party and still be critical of it. Just as an American can still be critical of the worst aspects of our country. True support is wanting the best and realizing the negative and fighting it. Chris sees racism in his party and rightly points it out. Blind support is a negative quality you would do well to point out within your own tea party which is overrun with religious whackadoodles and will be the downfall of it..
Bingo!
That was bingo@ S&T’s comment. Anywho…it’s beer thirty people! See ya!
Odd. The comments were at 101. I refreshed and they are at 91. Wonder what got deleted by Lifer?
Just wondering, all this talk of bigotry and racism, how many people have recently visited a reservation? The places where American Indians are put? I am part American Indian and somewhat identify with that side of my heritage. A while back my lady and I visited the reservation close to Livingston, Texas. The idea of a concentraion camp and a food distribution center really bothered me. It still does. I wonder what life is like in the places that are closed to the public? Why don’t we hear the leftists screaming about those concentration camps? Or even the rightists?
White Americans have a shameful history when dealing with the native peoples and today’s reservations are frequently a legacy of this history. But they are not concentration camps and to call them that is to forget what a real concentration camp was.
White Americans, John? Did you forget about the Buffalo Soldiers? And you forget the history of the reservations. Or maybe just ignore ad dismiss the history because it is inconvenient.
The Buffalo Soldiers? Really? Sure, they fought Native Americans too, but were mostly a footnote in terms of numbers. You made a connection between your contemporary visits to a reservation and concentration camps. Go to Auchwitz and get some perspective.
Ever hear of the Trail of Tears, John? We darn near exterminated American Indians. Those reserrvations were death camps. It is telling that you simply brush it aside.
Cap, with respect to the reservation you and I visited, I think you probably meant to compare it to an “internment” camp as opposed to a concentration camp.
Sorry. Mr. Lifer is going to delete me just for being repetitive. I have yet to get the hang of this format. At least my post didn’t show up way at the top of the thread.
And had you visited a reservation in the 1830s, Sternn, you’d have a point. Given that you appear not to be 190 years old, I would guess that you visited one substantially more recently than that. Today’s reservations have many, many issues, but those who live on them are free to leave them if they wish and are not exterminated in gas chambers. Goodness you are obtuse.
Every time Captain counters your point JG, you move the goal posts. Concentration Camps were not only for extermination JG. Learn some history.
I have moved the goalposts back to where Sternn set them in the first place, in discussing a visit to a reservation “a while back”. He described it as a concentration camp and speculated on ones that “are closed to the public.” We hear today about concentration camps during the Holocaust and in North Koreas. Tribal reservations today (or even “a while back”) bear not a shred of similarity to these. Sternn implies that we are forcibly confining Native Americans to these reservations, a practice that once existed, but not for the last 100 years or more.
The reservations still exist, John. These days the residents won;t be shot if they leave, but that is the history. Many of you chastise me for occsionelly flying the Southern Cross while you proudly salute the Stars and Stripes, a flag that represented slavery and genocide. Still represents what amounts to internment. Represented Japanese internment in WWII. Represents the Tuskegee Experiment. You proud of all that, John? Or maybe you are ashamed of the U.S. Flag? See it as a symbol of oppression?
Or maybe you cherry pick your bigotry?
When I was discharged out of the Navy in 72, I took my flight pay from Seattle and decided to drive back to Pa. Along the way I stopped to visit a couple of my veteran buddies. In Montana, I visited a friend who was an American Indian. We went to a bar and I walked towards the bar but he held me back. He told me that he has to sit in the table in the back reserved for Indians. I was livid but he begged me not to make a big deal out of it. This was in 74. This man served his country but could not sit at the bar with white people. I was blown away. Still am when I think of it.
The American flag liberated the actual concentration camps. The American flag, belatedly, fought to free the slaves. The American flag prevented communism from taking over the whole Korean peninsula and preserved a free Berlin. The American flag conquered Japan and Germany and then was eventually taken down and brought home with honor. The American flag sits in stillness on the moon. It is this country’s flag that immigrants endured terrible hardship to weep beneath when they finally made it. This country is not perfect and I have never claimed it is nor had problems with those who strive for it to be better, but the balance is so far into the positive that all Americans can and should wave it with pride.
The various flags of the Confederacy stood for preserving a legacy of human bondage and a needless war that cost hundreds of thousands of lives. You must be very proud waving them over your head pretending that they are not now symbols of hate.
John, you claim that the “American” Flag has fought needless wars, wars of aggression. Killed hundreds of thousands of people. Still supports treating innocent human beings as less than human, nothing more than property to be disposed of for convenience. Still supports what amount to internment camps. Supports illegal immigration, slave wages and human bondage. The near extermination of an entire people, and an entire species of bison. A flag that repesented slavery for almost 90 years. You wave that flag with pride.
But I also stand with that flag, even though the history ain’t all that noble or pretty. I also stand with the Texas Flag, even though you bow your head in shame over this great state. I also stand with the Confederate Flag and the U.S. Constitution it stands for, though you demean the U.S. Constitution and rule of law.
I will not be ashamed of my heritage, even though there are things in my heritage I am not proud of. That is something a bigot such as you will never understand. You judge while shrugging off the past. Judge others for daring to not be ashamed while hiding your head in the sand.
Sternn says, “I will not be ashamed of my heritage, even though there are things in my heritage I am not proud of. That is something a bigot such as you will never understand.”
I clearly stated in language anyone literate could understand, “This country is not perfect and I have never claimed it is nor had problems with those who strive for it to be better, but the balance is so far into the positive that all Americans can and should wave it with pride.” Hiow is that different from your statement, with the exception of the childish name calling?
You say, “Still supports what amount to internment camps.”
Yes. Guantanamo Bay, and the thought of closing it gives conservatives the vapors. Native American tribal lands are not internment camps and have not been for more than a century. That you think they are is patently absurd.
“I also stand with the Confederate Flag and the U.S. Constitution it stands for, though you demean the U.S. Constitution and rule of law.”
The sheer idiocy of this sentence is beyond description. The Confederate flag, obviously, did not stand for the U.S. Constitution. It did not stand for the rule of law. It stood for human bondage and treason. And you continue to wave it proudly, in your words.
If we weren’t so afraid, we would close Guantanamo, bring the prisoners here and have trials, public trials. The accused would have legal representation and the guilty would serve their sentences.
Good grief, you must be greatly bored…
Not bored. Needy.
Deleted a bunch of posts of Bubba and Dan sniping at each other.
Oh, and the post that identified where the keys to the Illuminati fortress are hidden. That violates our acceptable usage policy.
Carry on. Nothing to see here…
Wow, after I said to Cap that you would never do such a thing. No problem here. It is your blog, after all. Carry on.
Interesting glimpse into your views of certain posters, strong enough to actually take action on.
Drat. I wanted those keys.
The Illuminati keys? Sounds interesting. Looks like I missed some good stuff last night.
Some of my best snipes too if I do say so myself.
Sorry Chris.
And Cap is faking. He saw that post and has those keys before it was deleted.
Boy are we in trouble now…
Cap, with respect to the reservation you and I visited, I think you probably meant to compare it to an “internment” camp as opposed to a concentration camp.
Thank you Tutt. That would be more accurate.
I posted in the wrong place, again. I will move this to where it belongs.
Thanks, Bubba.
Cap and I often joke that I am his writing tutor, his “Tutor Bella.”
Cap, with respect to the reservation you and I visited, I think you probably meant to compare it to an “internment” camp as opposed to a concentration camp.
Gee, my post didn’t go very far from its original, incorrect spot. Darn this format.
Probably a more accurate term for the way they are run today, Tutt.
“As a party we have to decide whether we still believe in America, whether we still believe in freedom, and whether we still believe in ourselves.”
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At least Gov. Jan Brewer’s decision tonight made that thought process a bit easier for GOP members who are weary of the crazies.
I predicted that it would be vetoed. Money wins every time.
And at the end of the day, that’s all it was really about – money.
Never, never, never cross the illumi….the NFL!
Yep, the NFL swings a big stick. See how fast the FL gov. backed off?
Well, shucks. I’m still not giving up my copy of, “Kill it and Grill it.” (http://www.amazon.com/Kill-Grill-Guide-Preparing-Cooking/dp/0895260360/) That’s a culinary classic. And don’t worry, Chris. The anointed one is among us and in the White House. Just hold your breath… Any moment now… http://www.hark.com/clips/shfmfmqdmn-rise-of-the-oceans
Ah FoxNews. After my father died a few years ago, my mother became addicted to watching that channel. She was convinced by their “news”, contrary to what I told her, that the stock market would never get back to where it was (due to the ACA, or Obama in general). She converted all of her stocks to cash at the worst possible time, and missed the correction*. While she won’t be starving, this pissed me off to no end. Fear is indeed all that Fox sells, and they are morally repugnant. Don’t they know about the boy who cried “wolf”? (Not a big fan of MSNBC either, but that didn’t directly affect my family).
*Not to say the market won’t crash again, it always does.
Funny we (GG and GG’s SO) were just talking about Fox News watchers and we both came to the realization that every one of the people we know who watch it take it as gospel, even when some of their crap is outright false, and have become angrier and more paranoid. Joseph Goebbels couldn’t have done a better job.
Where did I say friends??? I mentioned the man I date and sleep with frequently.
Indeed, it’s quite sad. Although, in terms of divisiveness, some of the other networks are right up there. 24-hour news networks isn’t looking like such a good idea.
GG, your reference to ‘friends’ to make or agree with a point is highly suspect.
I would appreciate dowripple, if you would provide two to three Fox News Reports that stated the stock market will not rally. Just three.
Ouch! This is going to leave a mark on the liberals.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/feb/26/greenpeace-co-founder-says-no-scientific-proof-hum/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS
Why? Is Patrick Moore a trained climate scientist or researcher? He was also kicked out of Greenpeace in 1986 for his abrupt 180 degree turn on his politics and is now a darling of the right.
No one but the hysterically willfully ignorant right cares about anything he says, much less anyone with a trained scientific background.
But keep trolling for the crackpots buzzy. That is something you are definitely the expert on.
And still no credibility whatsoever.
Where’s your defense of Bill Clinton dodging the draft buzzy?
I didn’t defend him and didn’t feel the need to. It is you and the rest of the echo chamber that is in a tizzy about Nugent’s draft status.
You didn’t defend him because he’s a “leftist” (at least in your pea brain). You defend Nugent because he’s a fellow conservative.
Buzzy’s original verbatim comment:
“Many got deferments for various reasons. Did I ever think they were cowards? No, why would I.”
And you still support Nugent but continue to refuse to acknowledge Bill Clinton’s draft dodging as acceptable.
So buzzy, you acknowledge being an open flaming hypocrite?
Um, Bubba, since Kabuzz issued a blanket statement, why would that not cover Clinton? Now, where are your attacks on Clinton?
Ah Obtuse 1 is followed up by Obtuse 2. Blanket or not I see buzzy refuses to absolve Bill Clinton of his dirty tricks to avoid the draft and compulsory service.
And I see Cappy your ADD has kicked in again. Um, just by acknowledging that Clinton dodged the draft isn’t a criticism? And I have gone on quite extensively previously about how slimy and weaselly Clinton was in getting a backdoor slot in ROTC to avoid the draft and then backed out of that commitment and then “put himself in for the draft” after knowing he would never get selected when the war and draft were winding down.
Just like you ignorantly claimed I never served despite all that I have posted because that is how you view “libs”. That alternate reality security bubble of yours really is pretty impenetrable isn’t it Cappy?
Drip by slow drip the river of change will flow.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/26/texas-judge-rules-states-demeaning-same-sex-marriage-ban-is-unconstitutional/
The religious loonies over at the Chron are having a hissy fit.
Well of course they are, the sky IS falling, don’t ya know?
You mean it is raining men!
They will be forced to be gay and will start having sex with animals willy-nilly and marrying their sisters. 🙂
At least that’s what they seem to believe. As far as I’m concerned they think way TOO much about it if you get my drift.
A Clinton appointee. Let’s see what happens when the SCOTUS takes the case.
Just my two cents — I’m currently reading a book by televangelist Joyce Meyer called The Power of Words. I’m Catholic myself, and from what I’ve read in this book, and from getting to know Cap, who is Protestant, although not evangelical, I’m getting an idea somewhat of the Protestant view of things. Not all Protestants, of course, but . . .
The ideas of war and battle are prominent. Books such as BATTLEFIELD OF THE MIND — which describe the battle of thoughts as being between God and Satan — and how God is on our side, and we should be on God’s side, etc. While I describe my time spent on this blog as an intellectual exercise, Cap likens it to a BATTLE for the truth . . .
The opposite of which is LIES. I am more likely to say benignly that something is NOT TRUE, whereas evangelicals will call it LIES. There’s a harshness in the choice of words, which demonstrates an offensive approach to things, with a need to quash and destroy. It could be something as personal and internal as feelings of doubt or insecurity, but they are seen as LIES OF SATAN.
You have God versus Satan, good versus evil, etc, and I find it interesting that Cap enjoys movies and books with clear portrayals of good versus evil, with good usually winning out.
Just some observations. I do admire the certainty, although I am more the wishy-washy type by comparison.
Tutt, I would prefer to characterize your quality as having more nuance than “wishy-washy”. 😉
Actually, Tutta, I tend to separate old-school Protestant sects of the Magesterial Reformation (e.g. Lutheranism) from those of the Radical Reformation, such as the evangelical Baptist sects. The split is largely reflected in the practice of paedobaptism vs. credobaptism.
We Lutherans are taught we are “saved by Grace alone.” Basically, God has already chosen us. (In the beginning was the Word… – John 1:1) Hence, infant baptism. As a person who came to Christianity as an adult, I find this theology curiously comforting. I am incapable of the simple belief of a child, and I’m a serial, recidivist sinner. Gene Wolfe once described one of his characters as, “a bad man trying to be good,” which fits me to a ‘T.’ Trying to be good is a day at a time adventure for me. Well, truth be told, an hourly adventure. Given Luther’s many warts, I suspect he would have applied the same description to himself.
Contrast this with the Baptist notion of spiritual birth (or rebirth) through confession of faith. Basically, the individual chooses God. Hence, believer’s baptism, which is only offered to one who has freely confessed their faith as an adult.
The theological differences are subtle, but rather profound. Attendant to the notion of credobaptism is the idea that a person can fully and totally reject sin, and fully embrace God. This is no doubt true for many (including Cap, perhaps), but for a person like me, who is cursed with just a little too much self knowledge, it’s not possible. So I cling to the promise that God loves me despite the ineluctable fact that I’m a knucklehead. To quote the inestimable Carl Spengler (“Caddyshack”), “So at least I got that goin’ for me.” (Harold Ramis, R.I.P.)
TThor, interesting view of things, but a bit of a difference. As a Baptist, a person must confess the acceptence of the Messiah, Christ the Savior, to be saved. But that can only be done when the person understands and is able to freely accept or reject salvation. If a person dies at such a young age that they have not come to understand the sacrifice and resurrection, then they are not damned. One has to be competent.
Public baptism is not required to be saved. That is only a public demonstration of being saved, after the fact. No baptism is required at all to be saved. As for being sinners, we are all sinners. The only sinless and perfect man on this earth was the Christ, the Messiah. We must all struggle against sin on a constant basis. None can earn their way into Heaven. None are worthy. It is a gift that we accept or reject. I pity those that reject the gift.
Interesting conversation. The notion of sin is another where we differ. I’m not a perfect person, either, but I don’t see it in terms of sin. I don’t consider myself a sinner, or constantly battling against sin. There are many, many things I’m not pleased with about myself as a person, that I know I should work on to improve, but right now I can’t think of the appropriate word to describe it. It’ll come to me.
I’m sure I’ll get flak about this from Cap himself — but I consider him to be a much better person than I.
I see myself as having failings and imperfections, which I consider to be permanent parts of my character, with not much hope for improvement, and an inability to forgive myself. Once I’ve caused harm, I feel there’s no turning back. I don’t actively seek renewal and rebirth as tthor does, or confession/reconciliation/forgiveness as I should as a Catholic, because I don’t feel I deserve it.
Permanent feelings of that so-called Catholic guilt, perhaps? I do feel that God loves me, and I’m touched at the realization that I’ve been blessed in so many ways, despite how much I’ve taken them for granted and/or misused them.
“… but I consider him to be a much better person than I”
Now that there is funny, I don’t care who you are.
CHARACTER FLAW !
That’s what I see myself having — a character flaw, as opposed to sin.
Thanks, Cap . . .
As a motivational speaker Joyce Meyer is pretty good. I’ve listened to her a few times.
I think Louie and kabuzz are the same person, or at least cut from the same cloth.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/26/louie-gohmert-rallies-blacks-you-won-your-freedom-so-you-can-discriminate-against-gays/
Gohmert – the Sheila Jackson Lee of the Tea Party/GOP.
How bad do the other candidates have to be if Gohmert is your choice for congress person?
Be like Steve Stockman? (He’s the first one I think of when the question “who could possibly out nut job Louie?” Is posed.)
Sheila Jackson Lee, the Sheila Jackson Lee of democrat politics. Nobody measures up to the original standard bearer of dems.
Dan…few people here are going to be a SJL fan, but even you…yes you, have to admit that Gohmert is happily peddling the same tandem bike of stupidity.
Let’s just overstate the obvious here. When a “Republican” says things like what Mr. Nugent said it doesn’t attract new voters to the party. It may galvanize certain factions within the party, but it doesn’t attract new voters. Perhaps the GOP can do without African Americans and Hispanics and Homosexuals and college students and the elderly and the educated and…well just about anybody outside of the base.
In that case the bombs dropped by “Republicans” and unofficial party “Spokesmen” are clever ploys which function exactly as desired. A racist will hear the dog whistle (Cruz and Abbot), while Perry and Cornyn can categorically deny the same statement (wink, wink) therefore appearing to not be exactly what the policies they support makes them.
You know that line from the Wizard of Oz? Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain! It’s so true. I don’t know that I’ll hear a substantive debate on any topic in my lifetime (unless I’m the one doing the debating).
Somehow I can’t get out of my head the image of Rush Limbaugh as the wizard behind the curtain of the GOP fringe. And sadly there is no Toto on the right to pull the curtain away for the reveal.
Rush ate Toto.
Perfectly said, Chris. You did leave out the stand-your-ground laws that have basically legalized killing minorities, especially in nut job Florida.
Fear can only take you so far. It is very motivating in the short term, but fatigue sets in quickly. Nobody wants to live in constant fear, so the mouthpieces have to keep ratcheting up the hype until you get to absurdities like the War on Christmas and Arizona’s attempts to dial back progress by a couple of decades.
The most successful presidents of my lifetime were Reagan and Clinton. Reagan ran campaigns of optimism. (Clinton’s were about warm and fuzzy empathy). The Morning in America ad from 1984 is about the best political ad I’ve ever seen. You see any fear mongering in this?
Ted’s greatest hits.
Just listen to the political advertisements on the radio for the primary elections (fortunately I have a short commute). Everything we hold dear in our exceptional Texas is under attack from Obummer, including God. Vague references to ‘something just not right’ and the “fighting the agenda”. I didn’t even realize Mr. Obama was in Milton’s Paradise Lost.
Bill Maher get a pass. Sarah Silverman gets a pass. Barbara Streisand, as pass. The list goes on and on of entertainers who do and say things that are ignorant on the face of it.
Also, Obama himself said he was a mongrel as most American’s are, but you know better Chris.
According to Texan, you and Glenn are a racist.
Live in your bubble. Keep dividing. Be part of the problem. You’re doing good.
What passes? I’ve heard lots of people criticize Maher and Silverman and Streisand. In fact Maher lost his ABC show because of people not liking what was said on it. (Somebody said something provocative on a show called “Politically Incorrect”!! I’m SHOCKED!!)
Ah buzz…you will recall a time when I highlighted your ability to be racist without saying any of the magic racist words. I believe it was your assertion that Jessie Robinson wasn’t the one who broke the color barrier in baseball, but it was the brave white owner of the team who really broke the barrier by hiring a black player who was better than most of the white players.
Nugent is happily trying to do the same thing, but hey, he didn’t say any of the magic racist words.
So you are here now, somehow bending your mind around to equate Obama’s discussion his mixed race background and saying, “we are sort of a mongrel people” with Nugent saying he is a “sub-human mongrel”.
I know you have to stick up for your “side” (even though you claim to not have a side), but not even you believe Nugent and Obama were saying the same thing.
Even if we give Ted the benefit of the doubt, and there was absolutely no racial component to his statement, how do you think that plays with minority folks interested in the GOP?
The use of “sub-human” is what is offensive. Nugent, like many of today’s conservatives, tends to talk without thinking first. He’s joined by the guy in Utah, who wants to throw up barriers against women divorcing their husbands, the one in Wisconsin suggesting that women getting the shit beat out of them by their husbands “stop and think of the good times” and other idiots like Akins. These guys will bring down the GOP.
And could I forget our very own candidate who said “ranchers should be free to shoot wetbacks”.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/25/voter-warns-mary-landrieu-on-obama-i-dont-vote-for-black-people-they-got-their-place/
This is the attitude of some of the base.
Oh great one! Tell us the magic words. You see, only racists know those words. Only racists publicly care about those words. Only racists shout faux indignation at any of the words you will make up.
If you recall, again liberal selective memory I said Robinson is a great player and did a great thing but if you knew baseball, only the owner at that time can make a decision to break the color barrier. Are you dense? Can you not grasp that? In fact, according to you liberals Robinson would be called an Uncle Tom and a tool of the white man because he didn’t just play in the negro leagues. Tell me, is that true? Of course.
buzzy – You did not call Jackie Robinson a great player. Your exact quote was that he has an “above average player”. It was Jackie Robinson that was being verbally attacked, discriminated against, and suffering the ire of racist bigots on a daily basis. The owner did a very important act but he was not the one that had to prove that a “negro” player can play with white players. That was Mr. Robinson.
kabuzz
1:36 PM on February 22, 2013
One other thing. Robinson didn’t break the ‘color’ barrier. The white owner did by recognizing how silly it was to keep an above average player off his team because he was a different color. That falls in line with conservative thinking. Democrats are more of the ‘force that team’. Common sense always wins if you are patient enough.
GG, I read your comments and am laughing. Of course you commented many times about your neighbors and friends using the N word, etc., even though they continue to be your friends and neighbors. Go one now. Live in your racist world.
Buzzy, you daft old bird, there is a difference between neighbors and friends. I cannot kick neighbors off the street because I don’t share their views. As usual you are grasping at the ridiculous in an attempt to get the last word in.
Buzz…you are a cutie…I think you mentioned Robinson was an “above average” player, but that is neither here nor there.
It was very brave of the owner to sit in his owner’s box, with a boat load of money, go home to his comfy house, and operate in an environment where he was pretty unlikely to get lynched.
So sure, unless some white owner (because there were only white owners) was brave enough to hire a player who he knew would make his team better, Robinson would not be known today.
With your logic, white males get the credit for the women’s suffrage movement. If men hadn’t let those silly women out of the house, women don’t get to vote. Heck, if white males were not so magnanimous to simply allow women to vote, no voting for women.
Yep, nothing like white dudes going out of their way to give rights and privileges to others.
But yes, I’m dense.
Or the book CONNECTIONS, by James Burke, describing how many people and factors were responsible for inventions and technological breakthroughs, even though we love to assign the invention of something to just one individual.
HT, it’s hard to pinpoint exactly who or what is responsible for making breakthroughs in civil rights. Jackie Robinson gets official credit for breaking the color barrier in baseball, but what about all those other players who toiled away in the Negro Leagues for so many years? Maybe it was a “team” effort – Mr. Robinson, with his outstanding play; all the players before him; the team owner; the media, etc. This reminds me of the Malcolm Gladwell book OUTLIERS. The timing had to be right for Mr. Robinson to be able to succeed as he did, no matter how great a player he was. It was a combination of factors. It’s not as simple as the Black man who broke through, or the White man who let him in.
Exactly. Tutt.
Ah Tutt…but that wasn’t the comment and that wasn’t the topic of conversation.
The entire thread of comments was about Robinson and what he did. After a long string of discussions, someone felt the need to specifically say that it wasn’t Robinson that broke the color barrier, but that it was the white owner.
Why, oh why, would someone want to plant a flag in the ground on that specific point? When you have 99% of folks talking about Robinson’s courage and dignity, what compels someone to decide to fight that battle? Is it to be technically right? It is to be provocative? When you are going out of your way to be provocative on a racially charged topic…well, there might be a word or two for that.
That someone also then decided to end this comment string by suggesting that if folks just had more patience, then their rights would eventually be recognized.
For me, that was the more egregious comment. You black (gay, women) folks just need to wait, and the white males will eventually get around to allowing you to be full citizens.
HT, you should sit back and read what Tutt posted a few times over. As I have said in the past, she is very intelligent and thoughtful, and she has the ability to understand what a person is saying even when that person has a bias against him or her and is not quite able to express their views in a more tactful manner. Lord knows she has had enough practice in dealing with things I say.
Oh buzzy, what’s it like in your world?
????????????????? Viva, you have a point?
Yeah, I do, but I see the subtly is lost on you.
I guess Lifer can describe the GOP establishment types well since he fits in with them. Afraid of their own shadows. afraid of anybody that is different, afraid of the Hispanic man in the senate, afraid of an armed, law abiding population.
Come, join us in the tea party movement. We aren’t afraid of such things. And we even support individual liberty and rights for all. We want to stop the destruction of of our freedom, to be left alone, to mind our own business and allow others the same freedom.
Pass. When the Tea Party stops primary-ing people like Bob Inglis (someone who thought developing actual ideas was a better use of his office than just being out to get Obama), then I may start to consider them as something constructive.
http://www.advocate.com/politics/marriage-equality/2014/02/14/tea-party-senators-introduce-bill-invalidate-same-sex
” Come, join us in the tea party movement. We aren’t afraid of such things. And we even support individual liberty and rights for all. We want to stop the destruction of of our freedom, to be left alone, to mind our own business and allow others the same freedom.”
Riiiiiiiiiight!
Come, join us in the tea party movement. We aren’t afraid of such things. And we even support individual liberty and rights for all straight, white, Christian males. We want to stop the destruction of our freedom to discriminate against all those that aren’t, to be left alone in our pursuit of taking the United States back to the good old days of the 1850s, to mind our own business except when it comes to a woman’s uterus, and allow others some freedom as long as it doesn’t conflict with our particular religious beliefs. Oh, and we defend the right to spout meaningless platitudes about things like freedom and liberty, even though our actions contradict our words.
Fixed it for ya.
You’re projecting again, Desperado.
Um no Cappy. That would be you. You are the one afraid of change and anyone not like you. Chris is the one advocating for change and progress and openness in the Republican party. And getting slammed for it by the likes of fearmongers like you.
Hey Cappy,
Boo!
Good Job Des!
Hey Sassy, good to see you (hoping this comment makes it where I want it)!
Hey Rucas, I still toodle over every now and then. Getting ready for our big move to Tennessee!
Pass the popcorn please.
Popcorn futures are what we should be buying, not gold!
Come on, Texan, you know you’re one of the nominees for Best Actor in a Supporting Role, if not Best Actor. I do enjoy watching my own Captain Sternn go at it, aggravating everyone in the process. 🙂
Too bad you cannot enjoy cappy adding anything of value to the conversation.
My thoughts exactly Texan.
Nugent is a big man as long as he’s shooting things that don’t shoot back. His cowardly arse would not have lasted 2 weeks in Vietnam. If the Cong didn’t get him somebody would have fragged his filthy arse.
RonR, totally silly comment. I would bet Nugent over you any day.
Silly comment buzzy. Nugent is a draft-dodger.
Since I have as little respect for you as I do Nugent I could care less about your bet.
And you claim to be a “proud veteran” buzzy? So politics trumps country and the honor of your fellow veterans?
Chris described Nugent pretty succinctly:
“Ted Nugent is a symbol of cowardice. He displays it in his personal life and it soaks every aspect of his public persona. No one with a reasonably secure mind needs to wave guns around.”
When he had a chance to wave a gun and use it in the service of his country, he resorted to exceedingly cowardly and embarrassingly shameless measures to avoid putting his own ass in danger. As GG noted, Ted Nugent is a self admitted draft dodger during a time of war. In the most vile and embarrassingly cowardly way. He shitted on himself (his own words) repeatedly to claim a mental defect exemption to avoid serving his country or putting his own ass in danger.
And now you approve of his now safe and cowardly “support” of veterans from the rear decades after the fact? Really?
http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/nugent.asp
I served during Vietnam. Many got deferments for various reasons. Did I ever think they were cowards? No, why would I. You liberals are so selective in your outrage. Now I know there are many women on this site that didn’t serve during Nam so I guess they are cowards also. And of course, they can’t support the troops.
Wow buzzy you have got that obtuse schtick down pat.
Women were not drafted. Duh. And I think I can vouch for most them here that they have never defecated in their pants intentionally as an adult for subversive cowardly reasons.
Now come out and say it buzzy. Do you feel Nugent received a legitimate draft deferment for intentionally “shitting his pants” (repeatedly) specifically for the purpose of receiving a draft deferment and avoiding compulsory military service during time of war?
I’ll have your post secured also for the next time Clinton gets (rightfully) excoriated for being a cowardly draft dodger. I will be anticipating your defense of him.
Hell why wait, let’s hear now your defense of Bill Clinton for dodging the draft buzzy.
And still no defense of Bill Clinton’s draft dodging by buzzy but it’s acceptable for Ted Nugent to crap in his pants to avoid service because you know, he’s a “patriot” and not a “lefty”.
Wingnut hypocritical “logic” at its finest.
1LT Sharon Lane
Lieutenant Lane died from shrapnel wounds when the 312th Evacuation Hospital at Chu Lai was hit by rockets on June 8, 1969. From Canton, OH, she was a month short of her 26th birthday. She was posthumously awarded the Vietnamese Gallantry Cross with Palm and the Bronze Star for Heroism. In 1970, the recovery room at Fitzsimmons Army Hospital in Denver, where Lt. Lane had been assigned before going to Vietnam, was dedicated in her honor. In 1973, Aultman Hospital in Canton, OH, where Lane had attended nursing school, erected a bronze statue of Lane. The names of 110 local servicemen killed in Vietnam are on the base of the statue.
To Lieutenant Lane’s memorial on The Virtual Wall
My husband was wounded in this attack.
http://www.virtualwall.org/women.htm
And while women were not drafted you jackwagon they VOLUNTEERED to serve and died for this country.
Women who were left behind by spouses who served did their part too Buzz.
Sorry posted to wrong thread. Reposting correctly here:
Sassy, thank you for that moving memoriam to Lt Lane. I hope your husband is fully recovered in body and spirit.
And anyone who is not willfully myopic to further a hypocritical political agenda knows the importance of the military family support network. Thank you.
I wish he had Bubba. His body made it home his mind didn’t. He committed suicide 3 short months after he got home. He was short time on his second tour when he was wounded trying to get help for two of his buddies. He was awarded a Purple Heart and two Bronze Stars one with a V designation the other for meritorious service. His name does not appear on the “Wall” and there were no parades welcoming home, there was no help for him from the country he served and no help for his widow and children because he had committed suicide.
It truly pisses me off when people will defend the likes of Ted Nugent.
For Buzz
“You liberals are so selective in your outrage. Now I know there are many women on this site that didn’t serve during Nam so I guess they are cowards also. And of course, they can’t support the troops.”
Don’t know any women do ya Buzz?
Oh I am so sorry Sassy. Do you think you can find redress now for the benefits and to put his name on the Wall or are you beyond trying anymore?
I think in this day and age they have a better understanding of PTSD.
I am truly saddened to hear that. My thoughts and sympathy Sassy.
I quit trying a long time ago. I worked my tail off to raise our kids and I don’t have any regrets. I have done fairly well for myself and now I am going to take it easy for the rest. I do still talk to some of the wives from back then every once in awhile but we have all survived and have moved on.
Thank you for YOUR service and sacrifice for this country Sassy. And of course your husband’s.
Quit dodging Buzzy. Many here didn’t serve in ‘Nam because they were the wrong age or maybe they had another reason but when you are called up by the draft and deliberately act like a crazy person to get out of serving your country then, yes, you are a coward and then to brag about it?
If this was some hippie “leftist” you’d be screeching in outrage and you know it.
Alice’s Restaurant?
The draft is wrong and should rightly be resisted.
Amendment XIII – Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
So Cappy are you against Jury Duty also? Involuntary servitude you know.
So you would not have instituted the draft during World War II also?
Jury duty? I always show up when summoned. Harris County doesn’t go after people that refuse, nor issue warrants for arrest. I think it is best that people that want to avoid jury duty should be taken off the roles until they decide they want to participate in our justice system.
I am against slavery, involuntary servitude and treating people as property, period. That would have applied even in WWII. I look back on Lincoln sending out the military to kidnap men and boys and forcing them to fight in his War of Northern Aggression and understand why the 13th amendment is worded the way it is.
So in your Libertarian paradise Cappy, you are saying you don’t mind serving jury duty once a week or twice a week or more because too many people opted out of their civic duty?
So now you have no problems with takers (they are taking your time and money) skipping out on their fair share to support the ideals of this country?
And by the way, I have been in jury duty where the Judge instructed the Bailiff to issue bench warrants to all those who no showed for their assigned day.
And what would be your course of action if we did not have enough men to serve during World War II? Acquiesce and have the country fly the Nazi flag today with no Jews, Blacks, Hispanics, gays, or minorities allowed?
Never mind, I think I just described your personal Libertarian utopia.
I believe we would have enough volunteers when duty calls, just as we do with juries and with our current all volunteer military.
That’s the problem with the left, they refuse to recognize success of states like Texas, or our all volunteer military.
Um no Cappy we didn’t. Not during WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and Iraq and Afghanistan.
Do you approve of combat vets serving 4, 5, 6 tours in country?
And you have no problems with the draft dodgers starting wars and sending others to fight wars they would never have served, voluntarily or otherwise?
You are all over the place Cappy. Just to obstinately appear “right”.
There was no draft for Iraq and Afghanistan. Voluntary combat vets can serve as long as they want, and be deployed accordingly. You speak as one that has never served. No problem with that. Something I learned when serving is that I hoped many would enjoy individual liberty and rights without having to serve. I guess that is why I value our individual liberty and rights so much, I served but was not called to make the ultimate sacrifice for others. I come back to the world to value and enjoy the liberties and rights others won and sacrificed for so I may enjoy. Pity those that would throw them away for a false sense of safety and security, throw away what so many others served and died for.
“You speak as one that has never served.”
You really have a short attention span, don’t you Cappy?
Yes, Bubba. He seems to believe he is the only volunteer here.
Never seen Alice’s Restaurant so can’t comment.
You do know that the draft has been around since the Revolution, right Cappy, or are you working on more revisionist history?
Sassy, thank you for that moving memoriam to Lt Lane. I hope your husband is fully recovered in body and spirit.
And anyone who is not willfully myopic to further a hypocritical political agenda knows the importance of the military family support network. Thank you.
Damn, wrong thread.
Thanks Bubba got it in both places!
No doubt!
Another version of fear, the former Vice President and his statement regarding our military budget and food stamps, a statement both treasonous and stupid. There is no rival to our military power, none whatsoever, but we get the endless clap trap from the right about ‘retreat’ and ‘surrender’.
Our military is one of the biggest users of food stamps as a group. 900,000 military families are living below the poverty level and use food stamps to feed their kids.
“Republicans fought for decades to create this new world. The structural problems created by a dynamic new global economy are a winning lottery ticket compared to the problems we have faced in the past. Unfortunately, confronting these problems requires a level of curiosity and inquiry that frightens a lot of people. ”
Not just a GOP or even American problem. The first thing I thought of upon reading that was the older Russians who long for the old USSR because economic freedom can be erratic and scary.
As for Nugent, he’s an ass, and I’m never shocked at him for acting as such.
Like any alcoholic or drug addict you have to realize you have a problem before you can take the steps necessary to correcting the problem. It’s clear that DanMan and the Usual Suspects don’t really think the GOP has a problem in the race department.
I asked this question a few days ago on an earlier thread and none of the self proclaimed “conservatives” answered. But why does the “grass roots” Tea Party movement have such a hard time attracting minorities into the “movement”?
Perhaps it’s not so much of a “grass roots” movement as it is a “White’s Only” movement?
You lie Glenny. I answered. For your selective memory, the events I attended were well represented by minorities. Let me ask you. How many should we have as you would say, those people?
Buzz…is this one of those issues where the polling data are wrong? Kinda like the polling showing that Romney was going to struggle against Obama in the election?
I think you would agree that polling would suggest that minorities are not exactly flocking to the GOP and Tea Party.
You live in or near Houston, so maybe your Tea Party rallies benefited from the wonderfully diverse mosaic that is Houston, but at a state or national level, I would think you might agree that your group is having a bit of a time attracting minority members.
Why might that be?
Buzz, you are not living in reality if you think the Tea Party has a representative minority membership.
Prove it and post some pictures buzzy. Old White guys with varying gradations of suntan or sunburn does not a racial diversity make.
Prove what bubbo? I attend the rallies. I know. Glenn and his ilk definitively say minorities aren’t flocking to the TEA Party. Well, what is ‘flocking’?
What I think is happening is you want something to be so, so you believe it so the truth be damned.
Like even democrats are saying now that they may lose both houses. But you all will keep on about the incredible time the GOP will have getting elected.
Won’t do it huh? Can’t do it, can you buzzy? Thank you for proving everyone’s point. And confirming you are just a crazy ranting old man with no credibility whatsoever.
In other words, a poster boy for the Tea Party.
We did answer. To repeat, since you weren’t paying attention, it is a wonder why people that hold very conservative values and live very conservative lives stick with the left. But I doubt it will last as those people tend to want to be left alone, to mind their own business and leave others alone. Now democrats are getting all up in everybody else’s business as never before, so I am thinking those people will start to turn against the leftists.
Or maybe that’s why you pretend that nobody answered because you couldn’t face that possibility?
Capt,
So minority membership in the Tea Party is low because:
“it is a wonder why people that hold very conservative values and live very conservative lives stick with the left. But I doubt it will last as those people tend to want to be left alone, to mind their own business and leave others alone. Now democrats are getting all up in everybody else’s business as never before, so I am thinking those people will start to turn against the leftists.”
Is that even an answer? Or another loosely associated question?
It means we will probably attract more people as democrats get all up in their business and drive them away. Skin color is irrelevant.
So Stern…in your future, the Tea Party will be more diverse.
I think the general question was why has it been so hard to attract minority voters so far?
In terms of Democrats getting all up in people’s business, I think the Republic will survive low flow toilets and curly light bulbs, and if you are basing your hopes on a backlash against universal healthcare, you might be over-estimating how much folks really like high dollar gov’t programs.
You and your party have undertaken the calculated effort to divide society glenn, and you bribe your tribes with gifts to paid by future citizens. Your party owns education and you have created dumbasses deliberately. Your party owns entertainment that mocks the foundations or our nation. It takes morals and resolve to work together. Democrats are the opposite of that and work to limit individual rewards and foster dependency.
If you celebrating minorities getting taken in by the lure of your message of dependency is your idea of winning that’s all on you and suckers that buy in.
DanMan,
I don’t really have a party, I’m certainly not a “Democrat”. Do you have an answer to why the Tea Party lacks in minority membership or you just babbling FOX talking points?
I don’t accept your premise nor do I really care glenn. Liberals such as yourself worry about such things. I don’t care to join in that race debate you so desperately want to have.
DanMan
I would not wan’t to enter a debate on race either if I lost 96% of the black vote and 71% of the hispanic vote in the last election. But the GOP better figure out what they are doing wrong and why they have lost the minority vote.
Let’s start with how the GOP was doing with the minority pre and post Tea Party era?
I didn’t lose anything glenn. You bleating about race on behalf of blacks shows you’ve run out of gas. Take it to kos.
***So I guess you share every rapper’s sentiments.***
It just so happens that I share the sentiments of all the “rappers” I have campaigned with and generously complimented from the stump. So, yea.
So I guess you share every rapper’s sentiments. You run in packs with like minded liberals who will throw punches and justify it as payback for some slight. All democrats own every utterance of every filthy comedian that joked about killing Bush. Yeah, this is another stupid game you play.
You’re a runt Chris.
Ted, is that you?
Ah, calling people names now are we? Nice.
oh boy… a new lightweight to swell the ranks of the rucas posse, you freezing up in Chicago too?
THE ONLY mental midget I see here is the one with the pointy little fingers.
Chris, the “culture of cowardice” is manifested clearly by those making personal insults while hiding behind anonymity on your blog thread Chris. It is worse than your fear of honestly stating who your voted for or who you will support for Governor between Abbott or Davis. Fortunately, you changed the title from Conservative cowardice to the “culture od cowardice” which is alive and well on your comments.
Spaketh the shamelessly hypocritical coward troll bully bart-1/seriouscynic/usincrisis who posts under multiple sockpuppets simultaneously and even talks to himself to appear “tougher” when mere facts are not enough or don’t support his rants (which they never do).
“Culture of cowardice” and “making personal insults while hiding behind anonymity”. Of course you heard your siren song and personal traits being highlighted so you had to rear your ugly hypocritical “face” to lay claim.