Sen. Tim Scott is the GOP’s ‘Black Friend’

scottThe environment inside the Republican Party today is a treacherous moral swamp for African-Americans. No black conservative figure has yet managed to remain in a position of influence inside the GOP while speaking honestly about racial questions.

When an NAACP chairman derided Republican South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott recently as a “ventriloquist’s dummy” he touched a deep nerve. Going all the way back to Reconstruction, black conservatives have fought to justify their emphasis on economic progress against those who sought more direct resistance to injustice.

That is a fine line to walk and it has never been easy. When black leaders allow themselves be used as tokens, they will deserve the suspicion they retain in the black community no matter what other sincere goals or opinions they may hold. This is an unfair dilemma that white political figures seldom face, but history has made it unavoidable.

Black leaders cannot expect to be taken seriously so long as they quietly acquiesce to rhetoric and policies openly hostile to minority communities. For black conservatives, the price of credibility is courage.

Standing in front of a white audience and validating their racist assumptions is a fast track to popularity and political opportunity. Few things thrill a white nationalist more than a black man who agrees with him.  Every racist has ‘lots of black friends’ and being one of those black friends offers benefits.

With the GOP in thrall to an ugly Neo-Confederate resurgence, the 2012 Republican Convention featured its lowest percentage of black delegates in modern history. Interestingly, while there were only 46 black delegates, the convention featured eight minority speakers on the main stage alone. Being a black Republican willing to toe the line without question is an outstanding way to gain access to a platform.

It is entirely reasonable to expect that Sen. Scott’s position as a Senator was paid for by his willingness to be used. He has done nothing yet in his career that would be inconsistent with that characterization. Recite the party’s talking points and he gets to be a Senator. Acknowledge the existence of racism in any credible matter and he will be escorted to the exit, where he will be greeted by Colin Powell and Michael Steele.

One of the GOP’s other black friends, former Rep. Allen West, learned that lesson the hard way when he accidentally said something honest about the Trayvon Martin case. He quickly backed down, explained that Martin had it coming because he wasn’t a “respectful young man.” West recognized the value of being a “respectful young man” in the GOP and now he has a nice gig with Fox News.

This dilemma complicates the appeal of black conservatives, making it extremely difficult to communicate a credible, persuasive message without losing access to the political process. To speak honestly about race means being ostracized from the Republican Party. To speak honestly about the role of values and culture in the plight of the black community means being ostracized from the Democratic Party. Black conservatives can accept a humiliatingly subservient role in a Republican Party that wants them to perform like circus animals or sit outside the process, alienated and disempowered.

Not everyone in the black community sees this dilemma. In particular, many black religious fundamentalists do not perceive this problem at all. It is from their ranks that figures like Tim Scott and former Rep. Allen West have emerged. If you believe in a 6000-year-old universe it isn’t so hard to believe that Obama is a Socialist Anti-Christ or that he cheered the attack on the American Consulate in Benghazi.

Black religious fundamentalists feel comfortable walking shoulder to shoulder with Tea Party activists bent on destroying minority voting rights and ending “income redistribution” to black urban moochers in hoodies. They are marching with the far-right far-white in pursuit of higher, apocalyptic goals. If gay marriage is the single greatest threat to civilization then perhaps an alignment with the GOP’s farthest ideological fringe makes sense.

For non-white conservatives with their feet planted firmly in the reality-based community the rhetoric being spewed by Republicans in recent years is more than a little frightening. Some hard-right black evangelicals may have made peace with the Tea Party, but their numbers are very small. That’s why most if not all of the African-Americans at your local Tea Party rally will be speaking onstage.

Whether he likes it or not, Sen. Scott is becoming a national mascot for the efforts of Tea Party Republicans to whitewash the movement’s glaring racism. The dilemma he faces may be unique to black political figures, but as the Republican Party becomes more and more an engine for white nationalism, that burden spreads more broadly to all conservatives, regardless of race.

The same credibility problem faced by black conservatives is becoming a dangerous threat to conservatism at large. If Sen. Scott is a token set up to distract us all from the GOP’s racism, then what is Karl Rove? At what point should all conservatives face the same duty to speak about racism that we justly place on Sen. Scott’s shoulders?

If conservatism is going to survive, conservatives should all take a close look at the dilemma faced by Sen. Scott. The movement badly needs an update to avoid atrophying into a tool of racial and political anachronisms. Conservatism will not survive if it fails to represent something more compelling than the stubborn preservation of white cultural supremacy. A handful of well-placed black friends may obscure the party’s problems, but they are not going to save conservatism from itself.

Chris Ladd is a Texan living in the Chicago area. He has been involved in grassroots Republican politics for most of his life. He was a Republican precinct committeeman in suburban Chicago until he resigned from the party and his position after the 2016 Republican Convention. He can be reached at gopliferchicago at gmail dot com.

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190 comments on “Sen. Tim Scott is the GOP’s ‘Black Friend’
  1. […] leadership that takes them for granted. Many of them are black and Hispanic and Asian. At best, Republicans treat them mascots, giving them highly visible spots and favors so long as they refrain from expressing any opinions […]

  2. […] leadership that takes them for granted. Many of them are black and Hispanic and Asian. At best, Republicans treat them mascots, giving them highly visible spots and favors so long as they refrain from expressing any opinions […]

  3. flypusher says:

    “For black conservatives, the price of credibility is courage.”

    Speaking of courage, I attended a talk by Bob Inglis at UH this past week. His story would make for a very good discussion here.

    • rightonrush says:

      Hope his talk was well attended. He’s a brilliant man and should be taken seriously by the Republican Party.

      • flypusher says:

        Not as many as we both would have hoped RoR, but there was an upside to a smaller audience. Mr. Inglis decided to allow anyone with a question to ask it during the talk. As in unscreened questions. That lead to a nice discussion, as almost everyone was asking polite and thoughtful questions. There was one older man, of the progressive persuasion, who was getting a bit too cantankerous (IMO); he was talking like anything that didn’t knock excess carbon down to zero almost immediately was going to be worthless. It was very politely pointed out to him that people aren’t going to respond very well to imminent doomsday type talk; if it’s really doomsday coming tomorrow, then it’s too late, why bother to act, and if it’s not, who’s going to take you seriously? There was one other guy of a libertarian bent, who didn’t really ask a question so much as ramble a bit about “individual liberties”. He was politely told that individual liberties didn’t mean that you had the right to dump your externalities on other people and expect them to foot the bill.

    • goplifer says:

      Here’s what I said about Bob four years ago: http://whichwayisright.wordpress.com/2011/02/28/rep-bob-inglis-and-the-nutjob-wave/

      I’ve spoken with him several times and found him to be a bright, insightful and terribly tragic figure. It’s likely that a younger generation of business-oriented Republicans are going to take a more forceful stance, earlier than Bob did. I’m seeing some of those people percolating up through the ranks here in Illinois.

      Bob waited too long to turn his guns and a whole generation of figures like him are still way too trigger-shy when dealing with the paranoids. They still can’t bring themselves to fully appreciate what has happened to them. They’re the Republican undead.

      We’re in for an ugly ride. There will be a gap while those guys wane in influence and the new GOP rivalries mature. Into that gap will flow monsters.

      • flypusher says:

        “Bob waited too long to turn his guns and a whole generation of figures like him are still way too trigger-shy when dealing with the paranoids.”

        Still better late than never. At the start of his talk he did a little audience poll- how many here identify themselves as conservatives? 2 or 3 hands went up. How many independents? Roughly half the room (myself included). How many progressives? Pretty much the other half. That was good in that people not on his side of the political spectrum are interested in hearing what he has to say. But it was unfortunate that there were not more conservatives. He had a challenge for them, which was to accept the science and work towards free-market solutions towards reducing carbon emissions. It is very important to find people on the right who will accept his challenge.

        But he also had a challenge for progressives too. For people here not familiar with Mr. Inglis’ work on this issue, he is backing a carbon tax, to be offset by reducing other taxes (like the FICA tax, for example), with the goal of encouraging people to figure out how to reduce carbon emissions (the less you emit, the less tax you pay). He said that he wished the President would have said something like this in the SOTU- We’re going with a carbon tax to deal with climate change, and Mr. Speaker, you can decide which tax cuts you want to offset that. That could lead to a cut in the corporate tax- what say you to that, progressives? If you really believe that human activities are impacting the environment, would you make that deal to get a carbon tax?

        (Me, I’d take that deal, although there would also need to be offsetting cuts on other taxes.)

        I am intrigued by his plan, although there are a few wrinkles that need ironing. One issue that did get discussion was that certain industries, like trucking, would get hit hard, at least initially, and they would have to raise prices in the short run to survive, which of course would be passed down to consumers. This could be potentially offset by cutting FICA and income taxes (but probably with some devil in the details). The other problem is that the plan could be a victim of its own success, should it work well and quickly; you could have such major decreases in carbon that the government isn’t getting enough revenue. That point was brought up by an audience member as the last question. The response was that this would be a nice problem to have. I can agree with that sentiment, but nonetheless, it does need to be addressed, because despite extremists’ fantasies, you can’t run things without an adequate revenue stream.

    • Houston-Stay-At-Homer says:

      I just read the NPR transcript from Inglis…it is a sad tale that is too often true on both sides of the aisle.

      Looking back, he realized that he spent his first six years in congress “out to get” Bill Clinton, then in his second time around in congress, realized that was not a good motivation for trying to do the right thing for the country. He then got booted by someone more motivated “out to get” the other guy.

      I bet a fair number of Democrats, if looking truthfully in the mirror, would recognize that they spent a lot of time “out to get” Bush rather than focusing on solutions.

      Man, we are all kinds of screwed up.

      • kabuzz61 says:

        Homer, over the years I have blamed both sides equally for taking party, themselves over country. Glad to see the realization. Party’s want nothing more than to divide us so we don’t pay attention to what is going on. Keeping the common folks (us) in a defensive position benefits them.

    • alilunderstanding says:

      Chris is something rarely seen in the GOP, a truth teller. Call it like it is, the GOP is populated with a bunch of racists in its base and leadership. And the Blacks in the GOP are Uncle Toms almost entirely. And the GOP has no use for Blacks unless they are being used to cosign on the GOP’s racist depictions, and scapegoating of Blacks as a whole. Which in their rhetoric and imagery is used in campaigning that galvanizes their mostly White, older base. it paints a picture that says “my” tax money is being used to take care of Blacks who subsequently don’t do nothing but have babies and commit crime. And somehow that crime/hate is being directed (by Obama and the govt) toward me and other decent (non lib) White folks. I have no problem with a Black person being in the GOP; the problem I have is the Uncle Tom types that overwhelming populate it. As I often say their needs to be more Blacks (hell naw, not me!) in the GOP, just ones with spines. And they wonder why they are treated by pariahs in the Black community. Peace

    • goplifer says:

      I think she may have misunderstood the post, along with some other things…

    • John Galt says:

      Yes, Chris, I think your post was entirely too subtle for individuals like Sally.

  4. Tuttabella says:

    I had skimmed the blog entry for the usual fare but today I read it more carefully and ended up feeling angry for the Black community. If I were Black, I’d be furious at being used as a pawn by both camps — Republican and Democrat. It seems Black politicians can’t win for lose, as long as they are working within the framework of a White-run system. If I were Black I’d say “screw this” and just go and form my own party. I’m not advocating societal segregation, but simply suggesting a sort of political secession by the Black community, where THEY call the shots and not have to kowtow to a system run by Whites.

    • Tuttabella says:

      And even if this separatist Black party loses, at least the dignity of the Black community will remain intact.

    • lomamonster says:

      But you aren’t Black and you are Republican, so it is entirely logical that you would exhort blacks to leave the Democratic Party, where most of them vote for initiatives and platforms that make more sense to them.

      Aren’t you the one with the best idea to disenfranchise Blacks? Yep!

    • alilunderstanding says:

      The Dems do take the Black vote for granted at times, but Blacks are a part of the Dem party. On the other hand the GOP scapegoats, creates anti-Black phobia, and resentment, and runs national campaigns on this resentment. And as Chris correctly said they have no use for blacks unless they are being used against most other Blacks. In other words giving legitimacy to their racism. Peace

    • desperado says:

      Yeah, I’m sure Republicans would love to see that. Split the Democratic vote and make it easier for the GOP in national elections. Nice wish, not gonna happen.

    • Tuttabella says:

      Loma and Desp, my post was not about political strategy, to help the GOP, or to truly marginalize Blacks, but just a sign of frustration over the whole political process and how Black can’t win for lose. I’m not a political strategist, not here to sway votes. People should vote their conscience. I don’t necessarily vote Republican myself. I was an automatic liberal when I was young but have become more conservative, even libertarian, over the years as I’ve given political questions more thought. Political blogs such as these actually frustrate me and tempt me to marginalize myself and not even vote. If I do vote, I will probably end up supporting the Libertarian Party. It may be for naught, but at least it will make a statement, a sign of support.

  5. Tuttabella says:

    Hello from beautiful historic downtown Mobile . . .

  6. John Galt says:

    “For black conservatives, the price of credibility is courage.”

    Why stop there? My price for credibility is courage regardless of which color you are or side of the political aisle you stand.

  7. Crogged says:

    In the context of this post the below is poignant. Negligence can prove racism, as does silence. Besides, he hasn’t written a good song in forty years, so you won’t be losing any voters with decent taste in music.

    http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2014/02/21/subhuman-mongrel/

  8. kabuzz61 says:

    From Texan: Those that scream racist the loudest are almost always the most racist of all, case in point.

    There you have it again. Chris Ladd and the echo chamber constantly call racism. Sometimes it’s just to easy with these guys.

    • glennkoks says:

      kabuzz,

      Just why does the Tea Party do so poor with minorities? Certainly a racially neutral “grass roots” movement would draw minorities statistically close to their representative populations?

    • kabuzz61 says:

      The events I attended was well represented by minorities but that doesn’t fit into your meme. Of course if you were there you would have counted them.

      • kabuzz61 says:

        I know you think you are being ‘cute’ Texan but I never open any link you send regardless whom to. You never have a cogent argument. Just parroting.

    • Texan5142 says:

      A song about you kabuzz.

    • way2gosassy says:

      And sometimes it’s those that point a finger at someone else not realizing the rest of their fingers are pointing back at themselves.

  9. objv says:

    DanMan …. I’m not at all mechanically minded, so there isn’t a hope of me explaining the rebuild in technical terms My husband’s friend bought an old Harley in pieces and is trying to put it back together again. It was originally bought and used by the Army, and I have a feeling that his friend put more money into the motorcycle than he spent for the baskets of parts. That said, they got the engine running a couple days ago and were beside themselves with joy.

    Now my husband is threatening to start his own project. He built a really nice shop when we moved here for woodworking, welding and working on cars and motorcycles – his hobbies. He has never restored any old vehicles before. The closest thing we’ve ever had to a vintage car was a 1987 Porsche 911. My husband got a good deal on it and it was a really fun car. We had to sell it before moving overseas – it was the only car we ever bought that we made money on. My husband was able to handle most of the repairs himself so German luxury was surprisingly cheap to own.

    • objv says:

      …………..Sorry, wrong place. This was supposed to be a reply to DanMan way, way down below.

      • DanMan says:

        got it. I know somebody that has done a few of those Army Harleys. They had features like louvered shields to block the headlights from being seen by planes, sidecars, extra fuel tanks, unique saddle bags and other rare features. The guys that restore them usually fabricate replica pieces or at least did in the past. With the explosion of interest in Harleys I bet most of that stuff is available by vendors.

        I bought a 1973 914 from a girl that was pissed at her ex-husband and sold it to me cheap to spite him. It was a Camaro killer with the 2.2 liter engine but I would never label that car luxurious. Stupid quick but not plush. Sold it when the second kid came along.

    • objv says:

      DanMan, Interesting. Yes, I could feel every bump in the road and the ride was definitely not cushy. Luckily, our kids were still small enough to fit in the tiny back seats.

  10. Tuttabella says:

    Well, everyone – Cap and I are about to embark on a 3-day weekend mini vacation.

    We are actually going ACROSS STATE LINES !

    That has such a cool ring to it — like something deliciously sinful.

    • CaptSternn says:

      Going to be much fun.

    • GG says:

      Are you going to Sin City for Mardi Gras?

      • texan5142 says:

        I was there for my first Mardi Gras in 1979, the police were on strike then, everything seemed to be ok.

      • GG says:

        I haven’t made it there yet. I could kick myself because my uncle, who I’m very close to, used to live there and was always invited to parties in private homes along the parade route with excellent food, drinks and, very important, bathrooms. He doesn’t live there now. 😦 Some other relatives went and said it was great but I always had something come up.

      • Texan5142 says:

        Go to Southern Decadence just to watch.

        http://www.southerndecadence.net/

    • texan5142 says:

      Enjoy! Have a great time, I wish you the best in happiness. Peace be the journey.

    • bubbabobcat says:

      Enjoy the pleasures of the relaxation and decompression time together away from the day to day rat race.

    • Tuttabella says:

      Thanks, everyone, for your good wishes, and to Texan for the interesting link. 🙂

      Funny, all the talk has been about New Orleans, and we’re not even going there. Let’s just say we will be crossing multiple state lines.

      • DanMan says:

        Remember in here it doesn’t matter what you say. It’s what they hear that generates their dial-a-snark comments Tuttabella. Have a good trip.

      • texan5142 says:

        And this is why you are called Dan the Richard.

      • CaptSternn says:

        Now now, please play nice under Tutt’s light hearted post. Thank you for your consideration. And I repeat Tutt’s thanks for the good wishes.

        Mardi Gras? Let us just say no. We don;t like crowds to begin with, much less rowdy crowds, and that is one hell of a rowdy crowd from what I understand.

      • GG says:

        Where do you see snark? Curiosity is not equal to snark.

      • DanMan says:

        and that is why we prolly wouldn’t get along Texan5142, you don’t know me yet are comfortable casting such aspersions

        This whole thread exposes the typico libero tactics of the left. When you’re losing a political argument go for the race card. That’s why my first post said Chris is skeered. He’s lost the argument. He reduced an accomplished black man to a token to attack him. Chris doesn’t know him and doesn’t care. He’s a threat and therefore must be attacked. Just like any KKKer would.

        Own it libs. That’s where you are. And any black that is on this thread joining in the pig piling on the few of us pushing back at this freak show need to be aware…you are doing exactly what Chris accuses Tim Scott of. Working against your interests. You will forever be disappointed demanding free stuff when you can work for it on your own.

        See Mr. Scott’s smile for proof of what I say.

      • bubbabobcat says:

        “You will forever be disappointed demanding free stuff when you can work for it on your own.”

        And Danny that is why a man wearing a pointy white hoodie yelling “I am not a racist!” has no credibility whatsoever. And no clue.

      • DanMan says:

        And that is exactly what Chris and the entire rucas posse are doing. Surprised to see you to accept the guilt for the gang you run in. Perhaps its a start.

    • objv says:

      Tuttabella, if you have to cross state lines for unknown (although hinting at salacious) reasons, it should be to New Mexico! 🙂

      • CaptSternn says:

        OV, I was going to say New Mexico might be on our list for a later date, but just to get there is almost nine hours and 600 miles. That is a bit out of our reach under current circumstances. We are really pushing the boundries on this weekend’s trip as far as distance and road time goes.

    • jhnevn says:

      Very happy for the both of you and hope you both enjoy the trip immensely.

  11. texan5142 says:

    “And every black or Hispanic conservative is ‘stupid’, ‘crazy’, etc. because they dare to believe different then you want them to. It all adds up to:”

    All dozen of them?

    No that is what you think, and it is pure projection.

  12. kabuzz61 says:

    I knew this would be a great day as far as the echo chamber going overboard to prove they are not racist.

    Even when you look at their comments you can see racist leanings.

    Basically the left believes: “They (minorities) don’t have a chance in this world unless we white people cut the corners for them.”

    And now Texas and others: “You want voter ID? How in the world do you think minorities will be able to figure out how to get an ID?”

    And every black or Hispanic conservative is ‘stupid’, ‘crazy’, etc. because they dare to believe different then you want them to. It all adds up to:

    RACIST.

    • bubbabobcat says:

      “…cut the corners for them.”

      Buzzy, stop speaking for “the left” filtered through your own racist colored glasses.

      Drink!

    • Texan5142 says:

      Those that scream racist the loudest are almost always the most racist of all, case in point.

    • DanMan says:

      yep, it was an easy call kabuzz

    • John Galt says:

      Kabuzz – Basically the left believes: “They (minorities) don’t have a chance in this world unless we white people cut the corners for them.”

      No, more like we believe it might take them a while to stand up straight once we took our boots off their necks.

      • DanMan says:

        don’t speak for me JG, when do you decide to lift your boots?

      • John Galt says:

        I’m looking straight at you, Dan. It is you, and other conservatives, who live in bald-faced denial that 350 years of blatant institutionalized racism could possibly have long-term consequences. While the solutions of the left have not worked terribly well, the conservative solution of pretending that no problem exists (or pretending that the problems are someone else’s fault) is insulting.

  13. Texan5142 says:

    ” Start with why the left thinks people that are not white males are inferior, why the left believes that people that are not white males need to be given special exceptions, affirmative action, set asides, why scores to pass tests must be lowered for them. Why people on the left believe somebody that is not a white male isn’t capable of getting a state issued photo ID.”

    Gee I don’t know Cappy, after all, you think racism is over in this country.

    • rucasdad says:

      Ha! I saw this on reddit yesterday….so sad.

      But yes, Capt’s perspective is…if it doesn’t or hasn’t happened to me well then, it doesn’t exist.

  14. Old Dispatcher says:

    I think Rush Limbaugh settled this question years ago when he was asked how the Republicans ever hoped to win elections without minorities supporting them. His answer was, “Who needs ’em?” He then went on to expound on how Blacks made up 10% of the voters so they would never be important to the Republicans when it came to winning an election. So there you have it: Sound, scientific analysis from the true leader of the Conservatives in America. Of course, you are free to disagree with him. Why, just ask any Republican who has ever disagreed with Rush how well that worked out for them.

    • rucasdad says:

      And NO ONE disagrees with Rushbo. At least not in public or around other conservatives they don’t.

      • bubbabobcat says:

        Yes, Michael Steele tried and we all saw how he was publicly flogged and had to humiliate himself by obsequiously kissing at his feet and begging for forgiveness at the end.

    • Anse says:

      I’ll never understand this about Republicans. Writing off whole segments of the population is a curious way to maintain your party’s viability.

  15. texan5142 says:

    “You are threatening people with loss of property”

    Are you for the Keystone pipeline Cappy, because if you are you do know the US citizens are going to lose loss of property by eminet domain for a foreign country for private profit.

  16. geoff1968 says:

    I wouldn’t object to teaching kids about creation myth(s). Perhaps it was ancient astronauts? Or maybe Francis Crick was right and it was panspermia from which life arose.

    Teaching kids that the Judeo Christian myth alone is the “True” myth is intellectually fraudulent given the available information. The myth isn’t even unique to the Bible.

    A conservative shouldn’t subscribe to patent bull.

  17. glennkoks says:

    I’m curious as to just why the conservatives think they are doing so poorly with the black and hispanics? Is it the liberal media? The fact that minorities don’t know whats good for them? Free handouts?

    Kabuzz/ DanMan/ Capt. Why is it the Tea Party can’t seem to draw many minorities?

    • texan5142 says:

      I would like to know also.

    • rightonrush says:

      Hell, they are doing poorly with us white men that think for themselves.

    • CaptSternn says:

      There is no Tea Party. There is a grass roots tea party movement.

      I have wondered why some people stick with the left when they live their lives in a very conservative manner with very conservative oriented values. Well, that will be changing in the future, and the biggest driving force will be the PPACA. Now the left is getting all up in their business, and a lot of people won;t be liking it one bit. That is what has a whole lot of democrats running away from Obama and his signature piece of work. That is why Obama keeps attempting to rewrite the legislation unilaterly, skipping congress.

      • rucasdad says:

        “That is what has a whole lot of democrats running away from Obama and his signature piece of work.”

        You guys keep saying that but there’s not a single piece of evidence backing this up. In fact, I think the exact opposite will happen but hey, who’s keeping count around here about who’s right anyways since credibility is a trait that you’re allergic to.

      • rightonrush says:

        Grass roots my arse. Financed by the Kochs, they hired Dick Armey, and proceeded to gather the low info folks like the village idiots. What it has become is a hang out for the Bircher and other assorted nut jobs.

      • glennkoks says:

        So Capt,

        Are blacks and hispanics not allowed on your grass?

      • goplifer says:

        There is no “mafia”

      • rucasdad says:

        “There is no “mafia””

        Oh yea right, Chris! Just like the tea people aren’t the new illiterati.

    • desperado says:

      Might have something to do with their affection for the Confederate flag and the Confederacy in general.

    • DanMan says:

      I’m curious why you liberal democrats are so comfortable with all of your legislation by lies and the compounding debt model you embrace. To be sure, I can’t get why the few well known repubs accommodate that scenario as well and can’t get any answers from them either.

      • rucasdad says:

        Daniel, please remove all misguided and uninformed opinions from your screech and then get back to us for a serious reply. Mmmmmk? Thanks!

  18. DanMan says:

    SSDD…the rucas posse rides through town with cards in their spokes again

  19. CaptSternn says:

    Meh, whatever. You guys have gone off the tracks, twisting, squirming and spinning to avoid the racism in Lifer’s entry.

    Real conservatives do not believe a person is inferior if they are not a white male. That’s why we don’t focus on race. Racists do that.

    Enjoy yourselves.

    • texan5142 says:

      No, you are just afraid to discuss race honestly and will run and hide when confronted. What is the matter Cappy “Meh, whatever”, do you leave your tap dancing shoes at home?

    • GG says:

      It is not your place to say who is a real conservative and who isn’t. You are entitled to your opinion but you are not the end all and be all or an expert.

    • CaptSternn says:

      Then discuss race, not AGW and everything else under the sun to avoid it. Start with why the left thinks people that are not white males are inferior, why the left believes that people that are not white males need to be given special exceptions, affirmative action, set asides, why scores to pass tests must be lowered for them. Why people on the left believe somebody that is not a white male isn’t capable of getting a state issued photo ID.

      • bubbabobcat says:

        We have done it ad nausem Cappy but apparently it is too nuanced, sophisticated and multi layered than your black and white digital logic brain can comprehend. Your problem, not ours.

        Meh.

      • rucasdad says:

        “Start with why the left thinks people that are not white males are inferior, why the left believes that people that are not white males need to be given special exceptions, affirmative action, set asides, why scores to pass tests must be lowered for them. Why people on the left believe somebody that is not a white male isn’t capable of getting a state issued photo ID.”

        Yes let’s start with the fact that your claims are false… merely an opinion. To believe all of that would be the same logic as saying all conservatives are dumb, racist and outdated. No one here believes that so why should you?

      • Texan5142 says:

        “Why people on the left believe somebody that is not a white male isn’t capable of getting a state issued photo ID.”

        Where does it say in the constitution that you love so dearly that a state issued photo ID is required to vote? Well, where is it, got my copy right here and guess what, it is not in there. FYI, there will be a lot of white elderly voters who will not be able to vote if a state ID is required. Voter ID laws pushed by conservatives affect people of color disproportionately more that white voters. Gee I wonder why people of color are not flocking to the GOP.

        https://www.aflcio.org/content/download/3434/35953/MYTHS.pdf

      • CaptSternn says:

        Texan, different levels of government with different powers and responsibilities. The U.S. Constitution clearly states that the right to vote shall not be denied based on race, sex, or age for people that are over 18. It does not grant congress the power to run the elections or make other rules concerning elections. Those powers are left to the states and more local governments.

        Elderly voters are exempt as I understand it.

        But then you coem full circle, saying it will affect people that are not white males the most. Why is that? Is it really your belief that they are less capable of getting a state issued photo ID than white males? Somehow they are inferior?

      • texan5142 says:

        I did not say that, the studies on the subject have shown that and I am just repeating the studies. The only person who says anything about people of color being “inferior” is you. Sounds like a classic case of projection.

      • CaptSternn says:

        Are those studies limited to citizens that can legally vote?

        No, I don;t see people as inferior, which is why I am against things like affirmative action, set asides and lowering standards.

    • rucasdad says:

      Poor Capt, out in the rain, standing in a glass box of his own emotion on an empty island built out of his own bullheadedness and narrow-minded views…and no one can reach him.

  20. texan5142 says:

    “Teaching Creation would be introducing students to critical thinking, which the left can’t allow.”

    LOL! Teaching a fairy tell of mind control( The Bible) is critical thinking, but teaching the science of climate change is indoctrination. We do allow it, it is called church.

    • CaptSternn says:

      Climate has been changing for billions of years. Blaming it on human beings is nonsense.

      Not suprising you woudl want history to be written by socialists rather than experts.

      • texan5142 says:

        What experts, the one’s of your choosing? The 3% who think that climate change is a hoax.
        When you become ill, who are you going to trust? The 97% of doctors who think your treatment should be “A”, or the 3% of the doctors who think your treatment should be “B”?

      • texan5142 says:

        “Not suprising you woudl want history to be written by socialists rather than experts.”

        Better an educated socialist expert than a religious fundamentalist.

    • texan5142 says:

      No one is placing the blame completely on humans. A majority (97%) of scientist agree that humans are accellerating climate change and that the increased rate of warming is caused by humans. What were you saying about critical thinking? You should try it some time.

      • CaptSternn says:

        That claim has also been proven to be a hoax. AGW claims are nothing more than attempts to stifle the top economies, boost nations like China and redistribute wealth.

      • texan5142 says:

        Where is your proof? My God man, do you listen to your self, you sound like Alex Jones.Do you have him on speed dial?

      • Anse says:

        It’s weird that people think climate scientists are engaged in some kind of conspiracy. I mean, they live in this country, too. It does them no favors to push an agenda that would intentionally diminish the prosperity and liberty of our citizens. And they can get grant money from anywhere. Just ask the Koch brothers.

      • rucasdad says:

        The only people who benefit from climate scientists are the people who inhabit the earth. Since Capt decides to live somewhere between a Libertarian utopia and a conservative fact-free bubble, I can see why he has no interest.

    • GG says:

      To believe that man does not contribute to global warming is delusion and denial. Then there are the nuts who don’t worry because “god” will fix it.

    • rucasdad says:

      “When you become ill, who are you going to trust? The 97% of doctors who think your treatment should be “A”, or the 3% of the doctors who think your treatment should be “B”?”

      That’s a f***ing amazing question which is why Capt didn’t it. Yet, now watch him give us some wishy washy vague answer about how it’s up to the state and that we’re the sheep.

    • GG says:

      “Teaching Creation would be introducing students to critical thinking, which the left can’t allow.”

      Talk about a face/palm statement. Cappy, you’re usually better than this. You are sounding no better than a typical troll today and from over here you sound a bit desperate.

    • rightonrush says:

      Just one of the many reasons that Texas is ranked 49th in education.

  21. Texan5142 says:

    “A view, belief, that people should be free to live tehir own lives, make their own choices, reap the rewards or suffer the consquences, accept responsibility for themselves and their families. It is not against critical thinking.”

    “It is not against critical thinking.”

    The hell you say,
    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/20/candidates-for-tx-board-of-education-do-not-believe-state-should-be-involved-in-education/

    From the link,
    ” Incumbent Pat Hardy (R) joined the pair in “strongly agree[ing]” that “the more people [who] live by Judeo-Christian values, the less government is needed.”

    “Thombs then declared that she wanted to make sure history lessons were written by “experts, not people from some socialist higher education.””

    Texas Taliban on the rise. Now the question, what “experts” is this fanatic talking about?

  22. geoff1968 says:

    And Alan West is no longer in office. I sold my “Poverty Pimp” and “Plantation” stock along with the Liberal “Socialist” and “Communist” rhetoric awhile back. It’s a big time loser. The fact of the matter is that the GOP is going down the tubes. A conservative is no longer a conservative. A conservative is now an idiot. I’m no idiot. Therefore I’m no longer a conservative by the current definition.

    It seems I’m also a RINO, which is factually untrue because I am a Republican in deed not in palaver.

    I cannot cure the body of the disease. I can only hope that it survives and someday recovers.

  23. CaptSternn says:

    The real problem “minorities” face when they have and speak out about their conservative values is the leftists kicking them in the teeth for not conforming and towing the liberal ideology. How dare they get out of line? Don’t they know their place?

    Conservatism is a view, a belief. It is not a color. To suggest that promoting personal responsibility, a good work ethic, providing for family, individual liberty and rights is a white thing is about as racist as one can get, Lifer. To suggest that a person wants to be left alone and mind their own business, live their own lives and make their own choices is a white thing is a racist view, Lifer.

    Racists focus on race. Democrats and liberals focus on race. Conservatives do not. And no, that doesn’t mean everybody has to drive pickups, wear boots and listen to country and western music. We do not demand conformity, that is what the left demands. Leave me alone and I will leave you alone. The left can’t stand that line of thought. They absolutely have to be up in everybody else’s business.

    • desperado says:

      No, conservatives don’t demand conformity. That’s why you primary any Republican who dares to stray from the Tea Party line. That’s why you throw names like RINO and Dem Lite and Liberal at those people. Because you don’t demand conformity. Right.

    • Texan5142 says:

      “Conservatism is a view, a belief. It is not a color.”

      Had to laugh at that one. So you admit that conservatism is a belief not something based on reality. A “view” not based on science but on what you “believe”. That my friend is what is wrong. This explains why conservatives such as Santorum are against critical thinking, critical thinking would damage your belief and/or view of how things should be.

    • CaptSternn says:

      A view, belief, that people should be free to live tehir own lives, make their own choices, reap the rewards or suffer the consquences, accept responsibility for themselves and their families. It is not against critical thinking.

      Sometimes I wonder where you guys come up with the stuff you say. Have you no views, no beliefs? Just follow along like good little sheeple? Robots with no independent views or beliefs?

      • Texan5142 says:

        “Sometimes I wonder where you guys come up with the stuff you say”

        Double face/palm!

      • desperado says:

        Irony impairment is a terrible thing.

      • texan5142 says:

        “A view, belief, that people should be free to live tehir own lives, make their own choices, reap the rewards or suffer the consquences, accept responsibility for themselves and their families. It is not against critical thinking”

        So this explains all the bills introduced against gay marriage, abortion, teaching creation in class, etc. It is all about freedom, now I get it, it is about the freedom to control people with your beliefs and/or views. Man I was way off.

      • bubbabobcat says:

        “Irony impairment is a terrible thing.”

        If Cappy would just be open to joining the Iron Workers’ UNION, he would get his daily RDA of iron and see the light.

        In other words Cappy, a view or belief that everything is all hunky dory in this world because it is for me all by my lonesome and “tough luck that you weren’t born White like me” and you are just lazy shiftless minorities and their White apologists.

        Okaaaay.

      • CaptSternn says:

        Laws against abortion are to protect the rights of a human being. I don’t agree with the state not recognizing same sex marriages. Teaching Creation would be introducing students to critical thinking, which the left can’t allow.

        It is the left that feels the need to control. Obamacare is just the latest example.

      • CaptSternn says:

        Well there you go again, Bubba, espousing the belief that anybody that is not a white male is somehow inferior.

        Whatever.

      • bubbabobcat says:

        Alright, Cappy. So PROVIDING health insurance for MORE people so that they don’t die because someone wants to make a higher profit on said insurance is “lefty control”.

        Okaaaay.

      • CaptSternn says:

        You aren’t providing anything, Bubba. You are threatening people with loss of property and maybe even prison if they don’t spend their money the way you want.

      • rucasdad says:

        “A view, belief, that people should be free to live tehir own lives, make their own choices, reap the rewards or suffer the consquences, accept responsibility for themselves and their families.”

        You do know that these are pretty much universal beliefs and not just those of conservatives, correct? I mean, pretty much all responsible adults will share those beliefs.Yet, since neither you or I can prove when a fetus turns into an actual human then we should protect the right and choice of the person we do know is a human – the mother. You’ve been told this multiple times so your ignorance on the matter is intentional.

        And yes, creationism is absolutely ridiculous and only takes a moment of critical thinking to see this. Who here believes in it anyway?

        Capt, do you or do you not support same sex marriage? This whole “I agree with what the states say” is bullshit and totally ironic to hear especially after you talk about sheep, robots, etc..

        And yes, of course the actual statement “separation if church and state” may not be in the constitution but I’m pretty sure they touch on it in the 1st amendment, correct?

      • bubbabobcat says:

        Cappyisms:

        “It is the left that feels the need to control. Obamacare is just the latest example.”

        “You are threatening people with loss of property and maybe even prison if they don’t spend their money the way you want.” [Regarding the ACA]

        “Sometimes I wonder where you guys come up with the stuff you say.”

        No further commentary needed.

      • CaptSternn says:

        Rucas, Lifer’s entry here is saying that those beliefs are racist.

        A human life begins at conception. It is not a dog or a frog, a cat or a bird, a fish or a lizard. It is not an inanimate object. It doesn’t “turn into” a human being, it is a human being from the very start.

        I do not support same sex marriage, but I do believe the state should recognize it anyway.

        No, the words “separation of church and state” are not in the 1st amendment either.

      • bubbabobcat says:

        “It doesn’t ‘turn into’ a human being, it is a human being from the very start.”

        Just wow. Cappy still believes in the homunculus!

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homunculus

      • rucasdad says:

        Capt, Owl and you go through this all the time….you have no evidence backing up your claim. Therefore, it is opinion….NOT FACT.

        And I’m pretty sure I deliberately said that the statement isn’t in the constitution. Are you saying that the 1st amendment doesn’t discuss this? Instead of using the constitution as a tool to use or to throw at someone who you don’t agree with, why don’t you use it for all its intended purpose – reading it.

    • texan5142 says:

      So you are not a constitution man after all Cappy? Separation of church and state. Creationism is not science, it is a belief. You want it taught in schools, fine, tax the church to pay for it as an elective

      http://ncse.com/cej/2/1/why-creationism-should-not-be-taught-as-science

      • CaptSternn says:

        Separation of church and state is not in the constitution. Teaching critical thinking is not establishing a religion. Maybe the churches should tax the state? That makes about as much sense and the state taxing the church.

      • texan5142 says:

        in 1947.[55] The phrase “separation of church and state” itself does not appear in the United States Constitution. The First Amendment states that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

        You are correct, and neither does the second amendment say you can own an assault weapon with a hundred round mag. If you teach creationism in school, that is “respecting an establishment of religion” and is against the constitution .

      • CaptSternn says:

        Laws against teaching things like the idea of Creation are laws respecting the establishment of religion and the free exercise thereof.

        The 2nd is clear, the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The 10th makes it even more clear, as does the 14th.

      • texan5142 says:

        But it does not say what kind of arms now does it.

      • CaptSternn says:

        Nope, it doesn’t. The constitution grants congress no powers concerning private arms.

      • texan5142 says:

        Then why can’t I buy a rocket launcher?

    • Anse says:

      “Racists focus on race.”

      American racists have traditionally ignored the issue entirely, or tried very hard to dismiss its relevance. It has always been this way and continues to be this way.

  24. rucasdad says:

    Yup. I don’t know a single black person who considers themselves a Republican. Heck, even my white friends who claimed to be Republican once are a bit more hesitant to do so now or just don’t want to discuss politics all together. The Republican party is breeding a lot of Independents right now. But I do know a few black people who have some socially conservative views but that’s about it. However, even with their heavy religious views, they’re coming around to be more acceptable of people who are different than them. So the fact that they’re willing to see the error of their ways and evolve into being a more accepting person automatically puts them in conflict with being a Republican nowadays.

  25. texan5142 says:

    Allen West is just an all around jerk. Case in point, he chastised Debbie Wasserman Schultz about if she had something to sat to him, say it to his face……..and he did it in an email. The irony, it burns.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0711/Allen_West_tirade_WassermanSchultz_viledespicablenot_a_Lady.html

  26. desperado says:

    Republicans love Toby. Not so much Kunta Kinte.

  27. Crogged says:

    The author addressed the ‘work hard be responsible’ self congratulatory humbug certain to arise when the subject of inequality is brought up earlier this year. One of my favorite Monty Python skits were the old white guys sitting around describing how they rose out of their humble circumstances, “I was raised in a box by the side of the road”………..

    https://goplifer.com/2014/01/22/the-cruel-myth-of-the-gateway-job/

  28. Anse says:

    The comments to this piece are a useful bit of evidence to support Chris’s argument.

    It’s hard, sometimes, to distinguish between those Republicans who are overt racists, and those who are merely so cynical that they’re willing to use whatever rhetorical ammunition happens to be at their disposal. But I don’t know that the distinction is worth making anyway. If you really believe that most black voters are Democrats just because they can get hand-outs from Democratic politicians, you’ve already gone over the line and admitted that you don’t think black voters have the brains to rationalize their political ideology beyond getting something for nothing. It’s just a way of saying that whites vote for noble reasons while non-whites don’t. Which is pretty racist.

    I don’t really know why some folks don’t just go ahead and admit that they view the world through a racial hierarchy with whites on top and blacks at the bottom. If you are willing to make an argument like the one above, what in the heck is holding you back? Just go ahead and come out with it. If the handful of black friends you claim to have can already tolerate that, they aren’t going to make much noise about you dropping an n-bomb once in a while, either.

  29. kabuzz61 says:

    Chris, I didn’t think you could write a more hateful, biased piece as some in the past but you have. Of course the GOP you remember and want didn’t have blacks probably because you and your ilk didn’t want them.

    Again, you need to understand conservatives do not think in terms of color like you do, we think everyone who applies themselves, educates, maintains responsibility for their actions and works hard will succeed. You and liberals think minorities just can’t do any of that without the help of ‘whitey’. Now who is the real racist? You my friend.

    Siting the NAACP in 1920 had some strength behind it. Siting it in 2014 is like noise and static. Tsk, tsk my man. You went off the rails on this one. You exposed yourself on how racist you are.

    • Anse says:

      “you need to understand conservatives do not think in terms of color like you do”

      What conservatives do is think in terms of everybody conforming to the same idea of American-ness, which is to say, everybody should pull up their pants, put their hat on straight, and stop listening to that music they listen to. Which is to say, white conservatives think everybody should act white.

      I know the leaders of the Civil Rights era made the argument of minimalizing the focus on skin color, but what most liberals like me embrace is not a country of sameness, but a country of vast diversity unified under a set of public virtues and an embrace of individual rights and liberties. If everybody is expected to act and dress and talk the same, that is an affront to the very idea of freedom. Conformity is not freedom. Conformity is the opposite of freedom. If black Americans–or Czech Americans, or Irish Americans, or Italian Americans, or Vietnamese Americans, or Nigerian Americans, or German Americans, or whatever–wish to maintain some aspects of their culture, that is their right. That includes their language, even if English is the language of assimilation and the language that Americans should speak for the greatest promise of prosperity and enfranchisement.

      When conservatives talk about eliminating race from the conversation, what they’re really talking about is eliminating the wondrously diverse society we live in and the dynamism that this diversity provides us. What conservatives really want is for everybody to act like THEM–so they can maintain some control over the country they feel entitled to control. But what America ought to be is a land where people can define, for themselves, who they are and what they want to be. That terrifies conservatives. It sends them into fits of rage. And it’s why Republicans struggle to appeal to non-white voters.

      • Tuttabella says:

        One major mistake you make is to assume all conservatives have the same motives for what they say, even though you say it’s hard to distinguish. Some are racist. Others will say anything just to push the buttons of Democrats. Others are truly color blind, as much as can be reasonably expected. Not all conservatives are anti diversity. For many it’s all about fiscal restraint, or about being left alone.

      • Tuttabella says:

        Plus, I don’t think anyone, regardless of political persuasion, is truly completely color blind or without a racist bone in his body. Even the noblest of people let slip little remarks that give one pause.

        I’m Mexican-American myself (sorry, GG). In my own personal dealings with conservatives and liberals, I find that it’s the liberals who tend to make the “questionable” remarks. I think liberals are kind and well-meaning, but they will say things like, You’ve done quite well for yourself, “for a Hispanic.” I will sometimes get that from younger, moderate conservatives as well. The older, traditional, salt-of-the-earth conservatives are the ones with whom I have a better rapport. They are warm and kind, plain-spoken, and without artifice.

        Actually, the more I think about it, maybe it’s the age factor that’s important. The young’uns, whether liberal or conservative, are well-meaning but way too uptight about labels and statistics and saying all the right things. They would do well to learn from their elders and just relax. We are all in the same boat.

      • objv says:

        Anse wrote: But what America ought to be is a land where people can define, for themselves, who they are and what they want to be. That terrifies conservatives. It sends them into fits of rage.

        ——————————————————————————

        On the contrary, the freedom to define oneself terrifies liberals and sends them into a rage. Thus, conservative women like me are told to stay in the kitchen and minority women like Tuttabella are told that their conservative partner wants them at the back of the bus.

        Yes, America should be the land where people can define themselves. Unfortunately, liberals feel that they are the arbitrators of what women and minorities should think and they feel free to use ugly, sexist or racial stereotypes as a way to muffle dissent and demean.

      • objv says:

        Tsk, tsk, Tuttabella. You, once again, have the nerve to mention that you are a Mexican-American. How does that give you any right to speak on minority issues? Obviously, it would be more politically correct for you to move to a third world country and hire a maid to serve you breakfast in bed. You are very, very bad. (For those of you who insist I don’t understand “nuance” – yes, I am holding up a card that says SARCASM.)

      • Tuttabella says:

        Oh-Vee! You know my respect for you spilleth over its banks . . .

        Not to defend Bubba so much as to clarify: I remember a bit of your conversation with him, about staying in the kitchen. I think he accused you, as a conservative, of supposedly wanting to keep women in the kitchen, so he then turned the tables and told YOU to stay in the kitchen, as a rhetorical device, since that is what you supposedly believe.

        First of all, he made the unfair assumption that you want to keep women in the kitchen. And second, with the disrespectful, totally rude way he talks to you, he might as well be telling you to stay in the kitchen. Actually, it’s much, much worse than that. It’s not the occasional harsh word that can be handled on the spot. It is constant.

        I don’t see how and why you put up with his verbal abuse, and why you seek him out to respond to his ugliness. Let it go. He doesn’t deserve your time and attention.

        And yes, Bubba, I invite and encourage all the ladies on this site — OV, GG, Sassy — to snap back at anyone who offends them — even if it’s my own Captain Sternn — but it’s important to learn when to let it go.

      • Anse says:

        It’s not really necessary to recount anecdotal experiences about how this group talks or acts or whatever. Just look at the actual policies of the parties themselves. There is one party that is openly hostile to the very idea of democracy, and works extremely hard to throw obstacles in the way of voter turnout. And they don’t mind admitting, quite openly, that they are doing it because they don’t want black people to vote. That party is not the Democratic party.

        We get the most black votes, the most Hispanic votes (for the moment!), a vast majority of Asian-American and Jewish-American voters, and still, our party is about 30% white, give or take. Yet we are routinely identified as the racist party. This only makes sense to Republicans.

      • bubbabobcat says:

        You know OV, your incessant stupidity (yes stupidity because ignorance is too benign at this point) is way beyond annoying now. And you claim to NOT be a consummate faux victim?

        For the FOURTH time (not to mention the millions of time you whined the same lie without a full response), here is a reposting of the complete exchange (and follow up to her incessant faux victimization whine as she does here yet again) for everyone to judge for themselves rather than to hear OV’s incessant twisted fake whining bleats ad nauseum:

        ObjectiveView 11:30 AM on October 23, 2013 wrote:
        “Conservative women and women who are pro-life are often attacked. For an example look to the last lifer blog. I was told to stay in the kitchen with bare feet and get a liberal moron who posts here occasionally food – quickly.”

        Nice try at obfuscation OV. Your inability to comprehend sarcasm does not a misogynist attack make. My point was that YOUR “conservative” backwards view on women pretty much relegated woman to nothing better than being barefoot and pregnant.

        For perspective, here is my original comment (addressing you and bart) and YOURS OV. In context.

        “ObjectiveView 7:41 PM on September 27, 2013 wrote:

        ‘The United States has the highest percentage of single-parent families…’

        Yes I’m ssuuuuure she highlighted that as a positive attribute in her rant bart-1/seriouscynic/usincrisis. Obtuse is too kind of a descriptor as hypocritically fact challenged and jaundiced as your “world view” is bart.

        And then OV doubles down (which you conveniently ignore bart) and histrionically proclaims in her best Sky is Falling hysteria, “My concern is in the way that the greater freedom has translated into misery for a large percentage of American women and children.”

        You know OV that’s what the slave owners used as an excuse to decry the freeing of slaves right? “You can’t handle freedom and choices!”

        Phyllis Schlafly would be proud of you OV. Now get rid of your shoes, put on an apron and bake me a cake! Schnell!

        Jeez.”

        “So I’m the ‘liberal moron’, eh OV? Work on your reading comprehension skills first before you cast any aspersions.”

        And Google who Phyllis Schlafly is before you start your fake whine tantrums again OV.

        GIVE. IT. A. REST.

        You pathetic consummate fake whiner.

      • bubbabobcat says:

        “But it’s important to learn when to let it go.”

        Tutt, that seems to apply more to OV than myself is she is the one who has INCESSANTLY brought this twisted fake “affront” up time and again on EVERY DAMN blog post of Chris’ but I understand your political bias.

        And I will “snap back” at anyone that impungs my name with willful lies ad nauseum, thank you.

      • bubbabobcat says:

        Correction: “impugns” my name.

      • GG says:

        How do you know who it conservative or liberal Tutt? I personally don’t go around to people I know and identify myself immediately nor do I ask anyone else.

      • Tuttabella says:

        GG, good point, I don’t ask everyone I meet what their political affiliation is, either. I was referring to people whose affiliation I do know — friends, relatives, coworkers.

        I do notice, though, that these days, people seem to be more open about their political beliefs, maybe because of social media or cable TV. I was on a business lunch a few months ago, and during our meal my host started making disparaging remarks about President Obama.

      • GG says:

        People are getting becoming stupid regarding just blathering about their beliefs to everyone. I’ve noticed too many people in public assume that everyone else believes the same way. It’s probably not a good idea to say something bad about a politician or even discuss it at a business lunch or at a dinner party. Religion and politics are a big social no-no. I was at a community gathering and someone said “we need to get the n&gger out of the White House”. Boy, it pissed off some people and caused a rift in that social group which is still bitter. Your host was being very dumb.

      • Tuttabella says:

        Bubba, it’s not for reasons of political bias that I defend OV. We disagree over many issues, but I consider her a friend. Plus, I don’t like to see ladies addressed in that manner, regardless of their political position. I have spoken privately to Cap about his harsh online style toward certain ladies, and he’s toned it down somewhat. Although he doesn’t have a problem acknowledging online that he can be harsh, I refuse to give his detractors the satisfaction by getting on his case in their presence. In this case, there is a definite personal bias on my part.

        If I don’t come right out and defend someone, I try at least not to chime in with the attackers. To have to defend people over every single offense would be a full time job. To refrain from chiming in requires no effort. I do defend people on occasion, both liberal and conservative, but I try to go about it tactfully. No need to attack the attacker, unless they really make me angry and I lose my cool, which is not often.

      • objv says:

        Bubba: Nice rant. None of your explanation has any validity or logic whatsoever.

        1.Nothing I wrote would indicate I wanted women to be in a position of subservience to men. Please post my original comments in their entirety.

        2.Your preposterous command to ”get rid of your shoes, put on an apron and bake me a cake! Schnell!” was insulting, sexist, and played into stereotypes women want to avoid. There was no “nuance” – only an unjustified personal attack.

      • objv says:

        Tuttabella: Thanks from the bottom of my heart. There is much wisdom in your thinking and I feel I owe you an explanation of why I haven’t let the matter go.

        Normally, I think it best to ignore insults, but in this case I felt that if I were to say nothing I would be feeding into budda’s hopeless fantasy that conservative women are only meek, little pawns that conservative men use to further their agenda. Nothing could be further from the truth.

        I knew from bubba’s numerous and incoherent attacks on USinCrisis that he could be a handful, but honestly, he had no idea of what he came across when he told me to go back to the kitchen. It usually takes a great deal to get me angry, but budda managed to do that quite nicely. I have let go of angry feelings and am now just taking pot shots at him for the fun of it. I am sorry that I called him a moron, but I will continue to “snap back” at anyone who makes comments I feel inappropriate or denigrate and stereotype women .

    • Texan5142 says:

      So says the man who made fun of how the POTUS speaks. I find that the one’s who scream “racist” the most and the loudest are the deep seeded racist. Case in point.

    • bubbabobcat says:

      Ah, now I know why you picked your avatar name buzzy. You speak in coded buzz words rather than being an open “conservative”.

      See, I can doublespeak just as well.

      Drink!

    • bubbabobcat says:

      Correction: “impugns” my name.

  30. Crogged says:

    Rather than address the issues of racism I want to bring up the means by which the NAACP chairman chose to address Senator Scott, which is to criticize him from a ‘Biblical’ viewpoint–the you’re not as Christian as I am. In Texas we are suffering through primary season and not a single Republican advertisement fails to mention the help God is receiving from the candidate. I hope we don’t get Leftist Christianists in the Texas Democratic party, I don’t want to live in the Middle East and the Texas Republican Christianists are insufferable enough.

  31. DanMan says:

    Chris Ladd…AKA Plantation Massa

    Once again regurgitating stereotypes ascribed by democrats with a warning to the conservatives to embrace liberal democrat policies or perish.

    It’s pathetic but it also shows us something. He’s skeered.

    Tim Scott is reduced to being a token in Chris’ assessment. He grew up in poverty, raised by his divorced mom along with his brother. Built a successful insurance agency and is also an accomplished financial advisor. Has been in politics for over 15 years and has raised to the opportunity to be elected in South Carolina as a US senator, where he has won several elections already and to Chris he is a pet for the GOP.

    Yeah, there’s a list of stereotypes listed in Chris’ commentary but the biggest one is Chris himself. I white liberal working to keep a black man on the plantation. Pitifully pathetic.

  32. glennkoks says:

    The Tea Party’s damage inflicted to black conservatives will be lasting. However, demographically what is more important is how the Tea Party resonates with the hispanic vote.

    I think it is mathematically impossible for the Republicans to gain back the executive office with less than 40% of the hispanic vote. Mr. Obama received a 71% of the hispanic vote in 2012.

    If the GOP cannot do better with the hispanics we will never see another Republican in the Oval Office. It’s that cut and dry.

  33. Tuttabella says:

    Sorry, but I’m tired of discussions about racism and political strategy. I prefer the deeper questions. Have a good day.

  34. Tuttabella says:

    Darn it. I just replied to John Galt over on the robot thread, and in the meantime, you’ve moved on. I’m always just a step behind.

    • objv says:

      Tuttabella: I was about to bore everyone with the description of the 1945 Harley my husband was helping rebuild in his shop – maybe it’s for the best the robot thread was displaced. That said, I wish that your discussion with John Gault could be continued. You both made some excellent points.

      There’s a new Rice University study on science and religion. There is more overlap in these areas than is portrayed in the media.

      http://news.rice.edu/2014/02/16/misconceptions-of-science-and-religion-found-in-new-study/

      • DanMan says:

        heck I wouldn’t mind hearing about the Harley. The racket up above sounds like a playground full of children on a sugar buzz.

      • Tuttabella says:

        OV, I notice others have also migrated back to the robot thread. And it seems I said something that rubbed tthor the wrong way. Alas, that is one of the pitfalls of social media. You try so hard to say something interesting, and someone will always find fault with it. Such is life on the blogs. 🙂

      • objv says:

        Tuttabella: With tthor, the bark may be worse than the bite. I don’t think he has any bad feelings toward you and is probably just enjoying the lively debate. As I’ve mentioned before, I’ve never met tthor, but I know of him secondhand from someone who used to work for him. She always raved about what a wonderful person and employer he was. Once when I asked if he could be exacting at work, she looked at me as if I had two horns growing out of my head. I’m sure that he doesn’t tolerate slackers on the job, but my source says that tthor was a boss who was extremely considerate and generous to his employees and made work fun with his sense of humor and “Tracyisms”.

    • Tuttabella says:

      OV, here he graces us with his “Tthorisms,” just as Cap does with his “Sternnisms.”

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